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I'm sorry, but you are wrong. This isn't debatable. Piracy is stealing. You are consuming content without paying for it. This isn't "my framework", it is the tr

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. This isn't debatable. Piracy is stealing. You are consuming content without paying for it. This isn't "my framework", it is the truth.

thrownaway1984 10y ago
I agree that it isn't debatable. You are wrong. The law is clear on the subject. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement not theft. These are different crimes in all jurisdictions I have ever hear of.
icebraining 10y ago
Of course it's debatable. Hell, the US Supreme Court disagrees with you (see Dowling v. United States). How can you say the matter is settled?
peterwwillis 10y ago
If I steal a farm's tractor, the farm no longer has a tractor. If I make an exact duplicate copy of that tractor, the farm still has its tractor. You are making the argument that making a duplicate tractor is stealing a tractor. With digital piracy, nobody actually loses anything. They don't gain anything, but they don't lose anything either. You can call this whatever you want. To me, the net harm is significantly different than if you took money or property away from someone, so using the same word to describe both situations is inaccurate.
- hellogoodbyeeee 10y ago
  You could use your logic to justify sneaking into a movie theater and watching a movie without paying for a ticket. Would you consider that stealing?
  - peterwwillis 10y ago
    That's closer to stealing. You're taking certain resources, like a seat, air conditioning, power, cost of attendant salary, etc that on a small scale is barely noticeable as a cost, but the more people do it, the more it costs the theater. Conversely, the movie industry does not lose more money when lots of people pirate movies; they simply don't receive extra revenue. In some cases the entertainment industry benefits from pirating. Some studies have shown how pirating can drive demand, and how the most voracious pirates also spend more money on entertainment.
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I'm sorry, but you are wrong. This isn't debatable. Piracy is stealing. You are consuming content without paying for it. This isn't "my framework", it is the truth.

thrownaway1984 10y ago

I agree that it isn't debatable. You are wrong. The law is clear on the subject. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement not theft. These are different crimes in all jurisdictions I have ever hear of.

icebraining 10y ago

Of course it's debatable. Hell, the US Supreme Court disagrees with you (see Dowling v. United States). How can you say the matter is settled?

peterwwillis 10y ago

If I steal a farm's tractor, the farm no longer has a tractor. If I make an exact duplicate copy of that tractor, the farm still has its tractor. You are making the argument that making a duplicate tractor is stealing a tractor. With digital piracy, nobody actually loses anything. They don't gain anything, but they don't lose anything either. You can call this whatever you want. To me, the net harm is significantly different than if you took money or property away from someone, so using the same word to describe both situations is inaccurate.

hellogoodbyeeee 10y ago
You could use your logic to justify sneaking into a movie theater and watching a movie without paying for a ticket. Would you consider that stealing?
- peterwwillis 10y ago
  That's closer to stealing. You're taking certain resources, like a seat, air conditioning, power, cost of attendant salary, etc that on a small scale is barely noticeable as a cost, but the more people do it, the more it costs the theater. Conversely, the movie industry does not lose more money when lots of people pirate movies; they simply don't receive extra revenue. In some cases the entertainment industry benefits from pirating. Some studies have shown how pirating can drive demand, and how the most voracious pirates also spend more money on entertainment.
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