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That is largely driven by the content creators and they don't have nearly as much control over it. They signed the Starz deal before streaming was big and when

That is largely driven by the content creators and they don't have nearly as much control over it. They signed the Starz deal before streaming was big and when it came up for renewal Starz wanted more for catalog access than netflix was willing (maybe able) to pay. I would pay more for a bigger back catalog, but i guess I am in the minority.

magicalist 10y ago
Not to mention the content creators desperately want to avoid another Amazon/iTunes situation, with one distributor being able to dictate what the market does. They go out of their way to strategically deny licensing things completely to ensure Netflix doesn't have everything at once. Hulu used to be their great big hope, since it's owned by several media companies, but they seem to have given up on that (even as Hulu has finally been worth using as they finally gave an option to pay and not still see ads).
- vonklaus 10y ago
  Hulu is a great example of an company working super hard to un-innovate innovation. They had the distribution, rights, timing, capital and credibility to at least compete with, if not overtak netflix, but they couldn't Clayton Chrisitiansen it. Let's examine the Hulu usecase & customer storyboard. Who the fuck would want to pay, to watch selective programming...with commercials? What customer wants a worse, more tempermental version of their DVR box, that forcibly eliminates the features making a dvr/tivo box useful? Not only that but HBO? are they kidding. I am an HBO customer and I pirate HBO shows because they load faster and are in at least as good quality.I used to do this to Adobe. I commend them for lowering their product price and really getting competitve/offerig a ton of value. I pay $20 for creative cloud which is totally worth it for me vs. the time/aggrevation of pirating. I would've paid for hulu if I could watch shows as they aired, and anytime after, without commercials. Obviously, I can never pay for/trust them and never will, now. Netflix really needs a competitor... edit, to people saying HBO Now is good. HBO Go started in 06'. If it takes your company (one with the highest leverage in the industry) one decade to achieve mediocrity, you're already dead. Let's explore HBO further. HBO is a compan that primarily buys an resells content through a dying (but currently critical) distribution mechanism. Sure they develop their own content too, and it is really good tbh. It's just that when they end up like blockbuster, they will have to sell it through netflix. I mean, how the fuck didn't they see this coming...
  - taytus 10y ago
    > Who they fuck would want to pay, to watch selective programming...with commercials? People like me.
    - navbaker 10y ago
      Agreed, it's a good way to get network shows on demand without subscribing to a cable package.
  - rhino369 10y ago
    >Who they fuck would want to pay, to watch selective programming...with commercials? Most homes do that. The people that hate commericals are a small but growing minority. And Hulu just recently released a no-commerical plan for like 13 bucks a month. >I am an HBO customer and I pirate HBO shows because they load faster and are in at least as good quality. I have really good experience with HBO NOW (and before it GO). It'll stream in 1080p the second the show airs on tv. They had some fuck ups a could years ago during some premiers, but since they moved to being hosted on mlb.tv, it's been great.
    - vonklaus 10y ago
      > The people that hate commericals are a small but growing minority. I'm going to have to stop you there. With the exception of the 4 hours surrounding the superbowl, you go out into whereever you live and find someone who wants more commercials. Maybe you are correct, that people who hate them is a minority[0] as it is a strong sentiment, but they certainly aren't going to pay hulu? Why the fuck would they, they would just simply be purchasing a worse expereince than the DVR box they currently own? I mean maybe, if they demanded portability, and had an unliited data plan, but this is a strawman, as netflix exists. > I have really good experience with HBO NOW That's cool, and I respect that. One of my buddies worked on HBO Go when they started to think through the idea in 06. So I can't really trust a company that has arrived at mediocrity after a full decade of tackling a problem. [0] This is a thought experiment. You are super obviously wrong. The majority of people, of course, fucking hate commercials.

magicalist 10y ago

Not to mention the content creators desperately want to avoid another Amazon/iTunes situation, with one distributor being able to dictate what the market does. They go out of their way to strategically deny licensing things completely to ensure Netflix doesn't have everything at once. Hulu used to be their great big hope, since it's owned by several media companies, but they seem to have given up on that (even as Hulu has finally been worth using as they finally gave an option to pay and not still see ads).

vonklaus 10y ago
Hulu is a great example of an company working super hard to un-innovate innovation. They had the distribution, rights, timing, capital and credibility to at least compete with, if not overtak netflix, but they couldn't Clayton Chrisitiansen it. Let's examine the Hulu usecase & customer storyboard. Who the fuck would want to pay, to watch selective programming...with commercials? What customer wants a worse, more tempermental version of their DVR box, that forcibly eliminates the features making a dvr/tivo box useful? Not only that but HBO? are they kidding. I am an HBO customer and I pirate HBO shows because they load faster and are in at least as good quality.I used to do this to Adobe. I commend them for lowering their product price and really getting competitve/offerig a ton of value. I pay $20 for creative cloud which is totally worth it for me vs. the time/aggrevation of pirating. I would've paid for hulu if I could watch shows as they aired, and anytime after, without commercials. Obviously, I can never pay for/trust them and never will, now. Netflix really needs a competitor... edit, to people saying HBO Now is good. HBO Go started in 06'. If it takes your company (one with the highest leverage in the industry) one decade to achieve mediocrity, you're already dead. Let's explore HBO further. HBO is a compan that primarily buys an resells content through a dying (but currently critical) distribution mechanism. Sure they develop their own content too, and it is really good tbh. It's just that when they end up like blockbuster, they will have to sell it through netflix. I mean, how the fuck didn't they see this coming...
- taytus 10y ago
  > Who they fuck would want to pay, to watch selective programming...with commercials? People like me.
  - navbaker 10y ago
    Agreed, it's a good way to get network shows on demand without subscribing to a cable package.
- rhino369 10y ago
  >Who they fuck would want to pay, to watch selective programming...with commercials? Most homes do that. The people that hate commericals are a small but growing minority. And Hulu just recently released a no-commerical plan for like 13 bucks a month. >I am an HBO customer and I pirate HBO shows because they load faster and are in at least as good quality. I have really good experience with HBO NOW (and before it GO). It'll stream in 1080p the second the show airs on tv. They had some fuck ups a could years ago during some premiers, but since they moved to being hosted on mlb.tv, it's been great.
  - vonklaus 10y ago
    > The people that hate commericals are a small but growing minority. I'm going to have to stop you there. With the exception of the 4 hours surrounding the superbowl, you go out into whereever you live and find someone who wants more commercials. Maybe you are correct, that people who hate them is a minority[0] as it is a strong sentiment, but they certainly aren't going to pay hulu? Why the fuck would they, they would just simply be purchasing a worse expereince than the DVR box they currently own? I mean maybe, if they demanded portability, and had an unliited data plan, but this is a strawman, as netflix exists. > I have really good experience with HBO NOW That's cool, and I respect that. One of my buddies worked on HBO Go when they started to think through the idea in 06. So I can't really trust a company that has arrived at mediocrity after a full decade of tackling a problem. [0] This is a thought experiment. You are super obviously wrong. The majority of people, of course, fucking hate commercials.