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Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor
- auggierose 10y agoYou can't keep a good man down.
- joeblau 10y agoI can't read... whoops!
- sytse 10y agoAlso see the tweet before that https://twitter.com/holman/status/734842310609899520 https://twitter.com/holman/status/734842310609899520 "We’re still so far off from even scratching the surface of open, collaborative development tools. We need to speed up, not slow down." I totally agree with that vision and I'm very glad to have Zach join. He is an amazing advocate for developers and I feel honored that he joined us. More information about Zach Holman https://zachholman.com/about https://zachholman.com/about
- Smudge 10y agoZach's advocacy of GitHub was one of the reasons I became such a fan over the years. Ever since they fired him, things haven't quite felt the same... I don't know the exact circumstances around his departure, but I do know that GitHub lost someone who, for me, had become one of the leading faces of the company. Of course, maybe that's exactly why the let him go. Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing him do the same for GitLab. (Minus the firing.)
- muglug 10y agoHe discussed the firing here: https://zachholman.com/talk/firing-people https://zachholman.com/talk/firing-people
- x0x0 10y agoWow. That really tanked my opinion of github. I had been talking to various officials in leadership for a few months hammering out the details and had been under the impression that we had reached an agreement, but I was surprised to find out that wasn’t the case. I was informed 28 hours before my 90 day window closed that the agreement I had thought I had didn’t exist; it was then that I realized I had 28 hours to either come up with hundreds of thousands of dollars that I didn’t have to save half of my stock, or I could sign the agreement as-is and avoid losing half of my already-diminished stake. I opted to sign. [...] But I still haven’t found the next thing I’m really interested in, which just feeds into the whole cycle some more. For better or worse, that’ll be changing pretty quickly, since I’m pretty broke after working part-time and living in San Francisco for so long. Even though I helped move a company’s valuation almost two billion dollars, I haven’t made a dime from the company outside of making a pretty below-to-average salary. That’s after six years. Think on that, kids, when you’re busting your ass day and night to strike it rich with your startup dreams. I've read on here about Etsy similarly fucking employees who left. Those options are worth a lot less than you think they are. One of the wonders of cash is it's very hard for companies to retroactively steal it back. If you're going to a company that gives options, demand either an 83b or iso to nso flip / 10 year exercise window.
- jrgifford 10y agoWow. The Lab vs Hub wars just got interesting.
- sytse 10y agoDoes 'The Lab vs Hub wars' read like a J. R. R. Tolkien book title for other people too?
- nathancahill 10y agoMore like a Neal Stephenson title I think.
- morgante 10y agoMore like pulp scifi.
- woodman 10y agoPlease tell me he liberated the rug.
- avitzurel 10y agoIs this the new "X is now a Githubber"? :) Following Zach on his blog and his talks, I think he has a lot of input to add. I feel this will be good for Gitlab users. Good luck, to both sides.
- sytse 10y agoThanks Avi! We certainly think this will be a win for GitLab users.
- sshconnection 10y agoAwaiting a "GitLab advisor here" comment from him...
- holman 10y agoGitLab advisor here!
- sytse 10y ago:) I'm still waiting for my GitLab CEO here t-shirt.
- ph0rque 10y agoYou should talk to the GitLab CEO to get them made... oh wait :)
- Camillo 10y agoCongratulations on the new picture, by the way. There was something deeply off-putting about that smirk you had before. (Not trying to troll, just giving you some feedback you may not otherwise get.)
- danielweber 10y agoI wanted to say thanks for writing your "fired" post. It's good to hear from people who go through that, when most everyone wants to be quiet about it.
- MikeHolman 10y agoAh, so you're the guy who always beats me to the holman username!
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y agoIsn't Holman the harasser dude?
- grandalf 10y agoNo, he left Github long before that stuff happened.
- taw567 10y agoOr did he ? http://www.dailydot.com/business/julie-ann-horvath-names-github-harassment/ http://www.dailydot.com/business/julie-ann-horvath-names-git...
- exstudent2 10y agoJust to be clear, there's no evidence of him harassing anyone in that article.
- koolba 10y agoIn the words of M. Night Shyamalan, "What a twist!"
- vonklaus 10y agoGitlab has been the first "developer tools" company I have been using since fairly early on. I fucking love them, think Holman will be a phenomenal addition, and am just super excited for the new products/services they will be offering. godspeed gitlabs...and I mean that somewhat literally. You guys have to improve your speed a bit, but Holman was there for github's scaling activities, so maybe that is one place they can leverage his skillset. Also, gitlabs needs to start sending out more stickers like github. I want some. edit: Congrats to Zach Holman & Gitlab team!
- Perihelion 10y agoHeya, shoot me an email (amanda@gitlab.com) and I'll see what I can do about getting you some stickers. Thanks for the feedback! It's great to hear :)
- vonklaus 10y agosent. Thanks!
- otterpro 10y agoI'm a big fan of Gitlab, too. Can I also get a sticker? (I can send SASE to cover shipping, if that's a concern).
- Perihelion 10y agoDefinitely! Shoot me an email :)
- sytse 10y agoThanks for your kind words Samuel. We love you too! And we're working on the speed of GitLab.com in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/operations/issues/42 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/operations/issues/42 GitLab installations on-premises should be fast already. But the nice thing is they are also benefitting from the improvements we're making for .com
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- mbavio 10y ago<joke>TR-8R</joke> Congrats, Mr. Holman!
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- eachro 10y agoI read his Fired post, and still can't really seem to understand why he got fired. Anyone have a better read on his firing situation?
- argonaut 10y agoHis writeup: https://zachholman.com/talk/firing-people https://zachholman.com/talk/firing-people We cannot know for sure whether it has anything to do with his firing (and he doesn't mention it in the writeup), but Julie Ann Horvath did accuse Zach of harassing her at GitHub.
- abalone 10y agoWriteup on that situation (but lacking any concrete specifics about Holman, it's important to note): http://www.dailydot.com/business/julie-ann-horvath-names-github-harassment/ http://www.dailydot.com/business/julie-ann-horvath-names-git...
- justinlardinois 10y agoThe sibling to this comment links to an article about that. This is the first I've heard of the situation, but that article doesn't say anything about her accusing him of harassment. Rather, it says that the two of them were in a relationship at the time, and she accused him of being complicit by sharing information with her harassers and otherwise ignoring the issue. Regardless of what happened or didn't happen, his close association with her probably didn't help anything.
- argonaut 10y agoThe article (http://www.dailydot.com/business/julie-ann-horvath-names-github-harassment/ http://www.dailydot.com/business/julie-ann-horvath-names-git...) says: "complicit in the actions of both Tom and Theresa Preston-Werner and even admitted to plotting with Theresa Preston-Werner to get women at the company fired. He should be let go from GitHub and I regret being kind to him in previous interviews" Again, unsubstantiated, but if for example he was just mean but not harassing, that could explain the firing (while Github claiming no harassment occurred).
- duncan_bayne 10y agoI migrated to GitLab after GitHub refused - either in writing, or even in person! - to respond to my questions about Opal.rb. Specifically I was asking whether their hiring Coraline Ehmke constituted an endorsement of her behaviour towards that project, and towards politicisation of OSS in general in that manner. It's looking increasingly likely that I made the right call.
- metaphorm 10y agosounds to me like you were trying to get them to validate your biases by making a statement that no sanely managed company (with lawyers on staff) would ever do under any circumstances. whatever your issue with Coraline Ehmke is (I have no idea what the situation there is) you should still try to conduct yourself with some kind of professionalism and decorum. politicization of OSS is indeed becoming a problem and I've seen some problematic behavior from a lot of people involved in political conflicts with this stuff. however, there is nothing more certain to undermine and destroy the OSS community than dragging yourself and everyone around you through the mud because of some internet flame wars that got a little out of hand.
- duncan_bayne 10y ago> whatever your issue with Coraline Ehmke is (I have no idea what the situation there is) https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/pull/74 https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/... https://medium.com/@duncan.bayne/coraline-2893dc09aea1 https://medium.com/@duncan.bayne/coraline-2893dc09aea1 I don't have an issue with Coraline, personally, but I think her approach to SJ and OSS is abusive and damaging to the OSS community as a whole. That's why I was aghast that GitHub hired her, in particular, into a position to influence their abuse and community management tools. My queries to GitHub were always polite and decorous, and ditto my behaviour in person when talking to a GitHub staff member about the issue.
- irascible 10y agoJesus Christ man, step away from the keyboard.
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- irascible 10y agoomg who cares. wtf hn.
- nrclark 10y ago@sytse (and @holman, now!) As of the latest Gitlab (8.8.1), my "this breaks Gitlab" commit of the Linux Kernel sources (https://gitlab.com/nrclark/dummy_project/commit/81ebdea5df2fb42e59257cb3eaad671a5c53ca36 https://gitlab.com/nrclark/dummy_project/commit/81ebdea5df2f...) still breaks Gitlab. When I first submitted this as a bug in December, the act of clicking on the commit would cause a Gitlab worker crash and the UI would either hang or return a 503 error. Five releases later, my sample commit still takes 10-20 seconds to load. Once it does load, it grinds my browser to a painful javascript standstill, and I have to close the tab. Can we get some smarter diff handling on the roadmap? Please? There was a fix deployed a couple of releases ago, but the behavior is still pretty broken. :(
- sytse 10y agoThanks for the example. For me it loads slowly too (probably it has a lot of disk access) but doesn't affect the browser much. What browser are you using? I'm using Chrome on OSX. Consider creating an issue on https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues or adding it to your existing issue and linking that here.
- nrclark 10y agoHere's the issue I made a couple of months ago - https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14775 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14775 As for my browser, I'm on the latest Firefox on Fedora 23. Something interesting - I think it's related to some kind of internal cache on Gitlab's side. Could I maybe get you to try loading the same page in a few hours and see what it does for you then?
- sytse 10y agoInteresting, we do cache things in Redis, not sure if it is relevant here. I mentioned a performance specialist and our frontend lead in the issue.
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