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That's sort of like applauding your neighbor for training his dog to always shit on your lawn

by oldmanjay 10y ago

untog 10y ago
Of course it isn't. Some of the stuff people wrote in VB6 was (and still is) enormously productive.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Sure, and shit is productive in a biological sense. Doesn't mean I want to work with it.
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  - mistermann 10y ago
    You remind me of programmers who will bill a client $50k for a $2k problem under the guise of it being done "properly"...oh, and keeping it a secret that an "improper" $2k implementation was an option. People heap scorn on auto mechanics (for example) that pad bills, but many people whose work doesn't get their hands dirty seem to think they are subject to a different moral code.
    - voltagex_ 10y ago
      It depends on the client, and whether you're going to be on the hook (phone wise or legal wise) for the future of whatever you create. The $2k prototype/hack has a way of becoming a business-critical thing when you're not watching.
    - pc86 10y ago
      > many people whose work doesn't get their hands dirty seem to think they are subject to a different moral code Let's not try to turn this into some "workers unite!" nonsense. I don't think how dirty someone's hands get have anything to do with what we're talking about. Using your extreme example, the the $2k option is wrapping half a roll of duct tape around a leak. The $50k option is buying warrantied parts directly from the factory (not OEM). What both you and the parent ignore is that there's usually a perfectly valid $20k option (OEM) that is a fair middle ground.
      - mistermann 10y ago
        > Using your extreme example, the the $2k option is wrapping half a roll of duct tape around a leak. The $50k option is buying warrantied parts directly from the factory (not OEM). You haven't seen some of the things I have. There are some extremely dishonest people in this industry that would literally be in prison if they pulled financially comparable stunts in an industry that isn't so opaque.
  - PostThisTooFast 10y ago
    He reminds me of an entire team of programmers who turned up their noses at VB, insisting that they work in VC instead. When, predictably, the VB prototype of the product worked perfectly well (the whole app was database-driven)... they were all fired and the product was finished by one designer and a team of contractors instead.

That's sort of like applauding your neighbor for training his dog to always shit on your lawn

untog 10y ago

Of course it isn't. Some of the stuff people wrote in VB6 was (and still is) enormously productive.

oldmanjay 10y ago
Sure, and shit is productive in a biological sense. Doesn't mean I want to work with it.
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- mistermann 10y ago
  You remind me of programmers who will bill a client $50k for a $2k problem under the guise of it being done "properly"...oh, and keeping it a secret that an "improper" $2k implementation was an option. People heap scorn on auto mechanics (for example) that pad bills, but many people whose work doesn't get their hands dirty seem to think they are subject to a different moral code.
  - voltagex_ 10y ago
    It depends on the client, and whether you're going to be on the hook (phone wise or legal wise) for the future of whatever you create. The $2k prototype/hack has a way of becoming a business-critical thing when you're not watching.
  - pc86 10y ago
    > many people whose work doesn't get their hands dirty seem to think they are subject to a different moral code Let's not try to turn this into some "workers unite!" nonsense. I don't think how dirty someone's hands get have anything to do with what we're talking about. Using your extreme example, the the $2k option is wrapping half a roll of duct tape around a leak. The $50k option is buying warrantied parts directly from the factory (not OEM). What both you and the parent ignore is that there's usually a perfectly valid $20k option (OEM) that is a fair middle ground.
    - mistermann 10y ago
      > Using your extreme example, the the $2k option is wrapping half a roll of duct tape around a leak. The $50k option is buying warrantied parts directly from the factory (not OEM). You haven't seen some of the things I have. There are some extremely dishonest people in this industry that would literally be in prison if they pulled financially comparable stunts in an industry that isn't so opaque.
- PostThisTooFast 10y ago
  He reminds me of an entire team of programmers who turned up their noses at VB, insisting that they work in VC instead. When, predictably, the VB prototype of the product worked perfectly well (the whole app was database-driven)... they were all fired and the product was finished by one designer and a team of contractors instead.