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Who do you think the EU is exactly? Some abstract group of extra-terrestrial aliens? An AI? It's made of European people, like you and me. They're actually poli
by NetStrikeForce 10y ago
Who do you think the EU is exactly? Some abstract group of extra-terrestrial aliens? An AI? It's made of European people, like you and me. They're actually politicians from our countries.
In your example you've said the EU "wants to" impose immigration quotas and "fine the countries that don't accept". How is that different from e.g. Germany imposing an immigration quota on your country? In exchange of e.g. not leaving you out of a trade agreement.
What's stopping your politicians from negotiating those quotas? Nothing, because that's what they're actually doing, but they know part of their voters are xenophobic, so they have to save face by saying "the EU told me to do it". It's politics 101.
Finally, please point me to where the EU is not a democratic entity, because I think I've missed the memo.
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- Wildgoose 10y agoThe so-called EU "Parliament" cannot inititiate legislation - it is told what to do by the UNELECTED EU Commission. The EU is not a democratic entity by any stretch of the imagination, it is anti-democratic, over-ruling elected members and overriding the wishes of the people.
- vixen99 10y agoYes - your point is absolutely unanswerable! For anyone with doubts should see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0 (Brexit - the movie). Sure, it's supporting Leave but the factual evidence is, well, just fact.
- ZenoArrow 10y agoThank you for sharing that documentary, it's convinced me to change my mind, I'll be voting to leave. Please keep spreading the documentary, I'll be sharing it also.
- ropiku 10y agoThe EU commission is unelected in the same way the prime minister is unelected (directly), that does not mean it's undemocratic. There is 1 commissioner proposed by each EU country.
- Xixi 10y agoThis is nonsense: the commissioners are not a self-appointed oligarchy. They are appointed by the European Council, that is to say by the head of all EU states. It is called indirect democracy, and is certainly not anti-democratic by any stretch of the imagination. If you don't like the EU commissioners, the fault resides solely on whoever we (European citizens) collectively picked as a our respective head of states (in my case that would be François Hollande, the French president). Don't get me wrong: I would prefer for the EU commission to be elected more directly by the European citizens. And I certainly wish that the European parliament had more power. But keep in mind that the only reason it's not happening is because the various EU governments don't want to give up too much power: they have full control of the EU commission, but not of the EU parliament / EU citizens... TL;DR: power in the EU is held by the European Council, that is to say by the head of states. EDIT: typo
- dozzie 10y ago> the fault resides solely on whoever we (European citizens) collectively picked as a our respective head of states And how exactly are we going to hold the head of states accountable, so one could say we control him/her?
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