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The ASI has two great articles on why the UK should leave [0] and what economic/political relationships they should take part in if they do [1]. It's a far bett

by lhnz 10y ago

The ASI has two great articles on why the UK should leave [0] and what economic/political relationships they should take part in if they do [1]. It's a far better read than the fear-mongering available elsewhere. I am voting leave but not for the reasons that are spotlighted by the mainstream media. I know that in the short-term there is some risk however I believe it is surmountable. I am much more worried by what will happen to this country if we remain in the EU over the next decade. [0] http://www.adamsmith.org/the-liberal-case-for-leave http://www.adamsmith.org/the-liberal-case-for-leave [1] http://www.adamsmith.org/evolution-not-revolution http://www.adamsmith.org/evolution-not-revolution

hardlianotion 10y ago
Nice links. Nowhere near enough discussion of anything that matters in this debate.
GFischer 10y ago
The particular argument and graph that as a % of global GDP, Europe and the US have been diminishing while China has been growing does sound a bit shortsighted... after all, if China is joining the developed world, that's EXACTLY how the graph should like. A much more informative graph would map relative growth versus countries that didn't "join the club" (say, Norway, Switzerland or others). I'm not British, and I'm not sure whether I'd vote for or against if I were, but it's interesting.
UK-AL 10y ago
A lot of people are using immigration issues to argue for brexit. Personally I hate this. I'm generally for immigration. There is a positive vision for brexit, which about being open to the world, embracing free trade, free movement of labour, and reducing regulation. The current version immigration system is broken. Any one with little skills can come to the UK from Europe. A doctor from outside Europe will have real difficultly. Personally I want both people.
- parenthephobia 10y ago
  People should stop using immigration to argue for brexit because it's a nonsense argument. Leaving the EU wouldn't effect our border controls, because they aren't set by the EU. The UK isn't part of the "Schengen Area" of countries without mutual border control. The UK has control over its border policy, despite what brexit campaigners claim. It is the UK government that chooses to implement border policies which are regarded by some as "too lax", and then, sometimes, chooses to blame the EU for it.
  - anothermouse 10y ago
    You are mistaken. Immigration from the EU cannot be regulated as the EU guarantees the right to free movement for all citizen. Therefore anyone in 28 member states can immigrate, and the UK government may not impede that. You appear to be confusing border control and EU immigration. We control the former and not the latter.

by lhnz 10y ago

hardlianotion 10y ago

Nice links. Nowhere near enough discussion of anything that matters in this debate.

GFischer 10y ago

The particular argument and graph that as a % of global GDP, Europe and the US have been diminishing while China has been growing does sound a bit shortsighted... after all, if China is joining the developed world, that's EXACTLY how the graph should like. A much more informative graph would map relative growth versus countries that didn't "join the club" (say, Norway, Switzerland or others). I'm not British, and I'm not sure whether I'd vote for or against if I were, but it's interesting.

UK-AL 10y ago

A lot of people are using immigration issues to argue for brexit. Personally I hate this. I'm generally for immigration. There is a positive vision for brexit, which about being open to the world, embracing free trade, free movement of labour, and reducing regulation. The current version immigration system is broken. Any one with little skills can come to the UK from Europe. A doctor from outside Europe will have real difficultly. Personally I want both people.

parenthephobia 10y ago
People should stop using immigration to argue for brexit because it's a nonsense argument. Leaving the EU wouldn't effect our border controls, because they aren't set by the EU. The UK isn't part of the "Schengen Area" of countries without mutual border control. The UK has control over its border policy, despite what brexit campaigners claim. It is the UK government that chooses to implement border policies which are regarded by some as "too lax", and then, sometimes, chooses to blame the EU for it.
- anothermouse 10y ago
  You are mistaken. Immigration from the EU cannot be regulated as the EU guarantees the right to free movement for all citizen. Therefore anyone in 28 member states can immigrate, and the UK government may not impede that. You appear to be confusing border control and EU immigration. We control the former and not the latter.