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in the US, people opt to sell jaguars and like to get other stuffs, like hyundai sonata or even a saturn ion. May be, you can sell them to aliens, I don't know

in the US, people opt to sell jaguars and like to get other stuffs, like hyundai sonata or even a saturn ion. May be, you can sell them to aliens, I don't know. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20145762/ns/business-the_driver_seat/t/jaguars-decline-tells-tale-tarnished-brand/#.V0MSmZ5Xzak http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20145762/ns/business-the_driver_se... http://jalopnik.com/5929251/the-ten-car-companies-with-the-most-undeserved-reputations/ http://jalopnik.com/5929251/the-ten-car-companies-with-the-m... http://jalopnik.com/5834160/ten-sexy-crap-cars/ http://jalopnik.com/5834160/ten-sexy-crap-cars/ http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/100-worst-cars-of-all-time.html http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/100-worst-cars-o... I could go to the line of comparing with other auto conglomerates, like toyota, honda, bmw, volkswagen, but I did not choose to do so. also, hilariously, looks like it's on the verge of another bail-out -- http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/09/jaguar-usa-cuts-prices-because-jaguars-are-unpopular.html http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/09/jaguar-usa-cuts-prices-... well, you can do googling all day and spitting out all those craps about TATA, nothing is going to come out of this, moreover this discussion will fan out to other unrelated topic. Lets get the facts straight. I have been to both borders (sona-masjid to malda), multiple times, and there is no difference of the economic situations on the both sides, everything is "exactly" the same, both places are extremely poor. Even they speak the same language, the only difference I found was the slight differences in the colloquial accent. bangladesh-india border is not something that you should compare with the tijuana/san-diego border. The socio-economic difference between tijuana and san-diego is staggering. Honestly, I did not see any incentive for the people on the bangladeshi side to cross to malda so that one day, they might become CEOs of TATAs. In fact, in most cases, people on the both sides have complex familial ties and they also own different (illegal) businesses. But if you look at the tijuana/san-diego border, people from tijuana might be able to become CEOs of silicon valley startups. btw, I do not hate indians.

shripadk 10y ago
> in the US, people opt to sell jaguars and like to get other stuffs, like hyundai sonata or even a saturn ion. Sure. That is people's choice. I just rebutted your claim that "no country other than" India's neighbors buys TATA vehicles. > I could go to the line of comparing with other auto conglomerates, like toyota, honda, bmw, volkswagen, but I did not choose to do so. You can definitely compare them to any conglomerate. How is that relevant to your original comment on TATA not selling cars in other countries? > well, you can do googling all day and spitting out all those craps about TATA, nothing is going to come out of this, moreover this discussion will fan out to other unrelated topic. You were the one who diverted the topic to TATA. If you had kept your "crappy" opinion to yourself this discussion would never have diverted. > Lets get the facts straight. I have been to both borders (sona-masjid to malda), multiple times, and there is no difference of the economic situations on the both sides, everything is "exactly" the same, both places are extremely poor. Even they speak the same language, the only difference I found was the slight differences in the colloquial accent. Great. Now I have to learn from you about differences between Bangladeshi and Indian culture. Not too long ago (approx 69 years), India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were one nation. We had the same identity and still do. The issues unfortunately have nothing to do with identity or culture. It's good that you have gained this basic understanding of the cultural connection between Bangladesh and India. It's now time for you to gain some more knowledge about the historical aspect of the two nations. > bangladesh-india border is not something that you should compare with the tijuana/san-diego border. The socio-economic difference between tijuana and san-diego is staggering. When did I compare it with tijuana/san-diego border? Are you hallucinating? > Honestly, I did not see any incentive for the people on the bangladeshi side to cross to malda so that one day, they might become CEOs of TATAs. No you don't. We are not worried about people crossing over if they want to become CEOs etc. We are worried about the sovereignty of our country. That is the basic protection every citizen of a country can seek. > In fact, in most cases, people on the both sides have complex familial ties and they also own different (illegal) businesses. But if you look at the tijuana/san-diego border, people from tijuana might be able to become CEOs of silicon valley startups. You needn't teach me these things. Everyone knows this basic fact in India. There are complex familial ties even with Pakistan and India. You need to go beyond the cultural connection and try and understand the issues that have cropped up between the countries. It has nothing to do with culture.
- ramgorur 10y ago
  Now, I am really frustrated to see how a simple argument can be deliberately made so complicated, needlessly. 1. yes, I asked about TATA cars, just to demonstrate how big it's market in bangladesh (and its other neighbours), if you compare TATA motors' worldwide penetration with respect to that of toyota or honda (or xyz), it's almost nothing. Might be, TATA is successfully selling some vehicles in brazil, mexico or namibia, but the so-called "post 2008 rise of TATA motor" is a myth. 2. Just not only for cars, bangladesh is a HUGE market for india, in terms of all other products (well, actually almost everything). Now look, india wants a market, that's fine (may be it has no other place to go). But at the same time, that river diversion project may inflict severe consequences, on the same country where india likes to expand its market into. That's why this project is suicidal, not only for bangladesh, for india as well. This was my point. 3. A company's sale drops and rises in every hour, if I could manage enough time and energy (like you seem to have), I could also come up with gazzilions of other web links where people are shitting on jaguars. Above all, that was not my point. 4. I gave an analogy of TATA with smuggled cows, just to explain how bangladesh is a lucrative market for india, from a marginal cow-smuggler to even a conglomerate like TATA, but somehow you failed to grasp this argument. 5. Well, you have mentioned "illigal immigrants" and posted some web craps explaining "how bangladeshis are fleeing to india like mexican people does into the US". That's why I mentioned my first hand experiences about the actual situations on the borders. Please keep in mind, india-bangladesh border crossings are not aimed to "achieve economic freedom by the poors from bangladesh". People from the both sides cross the border, every day, because of a set of completely different reasons. That's why I mentioned tijuana/san-diego, but again, for some strange reason, I failed to inject that into your thick membrane. 6. Above all, these poor peoples smuggle drugs and cows, may be, sometimes cotton sarees. I am not sure why they are so dangerous that might collapse your sovereignty. 7. and as for all those shootings, they are mostly caused by dispute on bribes, well, now please don't pretend that you are not an indian, and have never heard of "bribes" before. I can't give you any web-craps on these stories, because I don't want to, you will be able to find it yourself. 8. I do not give a rat's ass about cultural similarity or difference, and my comments go nowhere near those. I am not sure why you are babbling that same "culture" crap again and again. 9. This is what I see always, indians like to brag about india and only brags in front of the folks from bangladesh (and nepal, pakistan, bhutan, srilanka may be?). I think it's a good time to stop doing that, yes, india might be a better place than bangladesh, just like bangladesh might be a better place than burkina faso. But such comparison does not fly too high, not anymore. 10. Please try get this real fact straight into your head, india is india, it's not germany, japan, france or south-korea, it's india. If you look at the majority of indian people's life standard, india is nowhere close, even to those of singaporeans, thailanders or even to malaysians. Looks like you need to wait for another 500 years (may be ?) to get close to that. 11. Let me tell you something, looks like it's really a good time to get more "real" facts, so in the meantime, please enjoy this video -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0 I am done, not going to comment on this crap anymore.
shripadk 10y ago
The funny thing is that even the first article you linked to was published on 3/26/2008. Just after being acquired by TATA. > well, you can do googling all day and spitting out all those craps about TATA, nothing is going to come out of this, moreover this discussion will fan out to other unrelated topic. That's precisely what you just did: "googling all day and spitting out all those craps about TATA". You made a stupid point about TATA not selling it's cars in any country other than India's neighbors and asked me to prove you otherwise. When I called you out on that, you now on the back-foot and instead talk about the "crappiness" of the car and the temporary "declining" sales in the US. You talk about "hilariously being on the verge of another bail out" but I can link you to a more recent article (5 Jan 2016) on Jaguar Land Rover sales picking up in the US by 30%: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/05/jaguar-land-rover/78315742/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/05/jaguar-l... The real issue is that you just choose to use outdated links that fit your discourse.

shripadk 10y ago

> in the US, people opt to sell jaguars and like to get other stuffs, like hyundai sonata or even a saturn ion. Sure. That is people's choice. I just rebutted your claim that "no country other than" India's neighbors buys TATA vehicles. > I could go to the line of comparing with other auto conglomerates, like toyota, honda, bmw, volkswagen, but I did not choose to do so. You can definitely compare them to any conglomerate. How is that relevant to your original comment on TATA not selling cars in other countries? > well, you can do googling all day and spitting out all those craps about TATA, nothing is going to come out of this, moreover this discussion will fan out to other unrelated topic. You were the one who diverted the topic to TATA. If you had kept your "crappy" opinion to yourself this discussion would never have diverted. > Lets get the facts straight. I have been to both borders (sona-masjid to malda), multiple times, and there is no difference of the economic situations on the both sides, everything is "exactly" the same, both places are extremely poor. Even they speak the same language, the only difference I found was the slight differences in the colloquial accent. Great. Now I have to learn from you about differences between Bangladeshi and Indian culture. Not too long ago (approx 69 years), India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were one nation. We had the same identity and still do. The issues unfortunately have nothing to do with identity or culture. It's good that you have gained this basic understanding of the cultural connection between Bangladesh and India. It's now time for you to gain some more knowledge about the historical aspect of the two nations. > bangladesh-india border is not something that you should compare with the tijuana/san-diego border. The socio-economic difference between tijuana and san-diego is staggering. When did I compare it with tijuana/san-diego border? Are you hallucinating? > Honestly, I did not see any incentive for the people on the bangladeshi side to cross to malda so that one day, they might become CEOs of TATAs. No you don't. We are not worried about people crossing over if they want to become CEOs etc. We are worried about the sovereignty of our country. That is the basic protection every citizen of a country can seek. > In fact, in most cases, people on the both sides have complex familial ties and they also own different (illegal) businesses. But if you look at the tijuana/san-diego border, people from tijuana might be able to become CEOs of silicon valley startups. You needn't teach me these things. Everyone knows this basic fact in India. There are complex familial ties even with Pakistan and India. You need to go beyond the cultural connection and try and understand the issues that have cropped up between the countries. It has nothing to do with culture.

ramgorur 10y ago
Now, I am really frustrated to see how a simple argument can be deliberately made so complicated, needlessly. 1. yes, I asked about TATA cars, just to demonstrate how big it's market in bangladesh (and its other neighbours), if you compare TATA motors' worldwide penetration with respect to that of toyota or honda (or xyz), it's almost nothing. Might be, TATA is successfully selling some vehicles in brazil, mexico or namibia, but the so-called "post 2008 rise of TATA motor" is a myth. 2. Just not only for cars, bangladesh is a HUGE market for india, in terms of all other products (well, actually almost everything). Now look, india wants a market, that's fine (may be it has no other place to go). But at the same time, that river diversion project may inflict severe consequences, on the same country where india likes to expand its market into. That's why this project is suicidal, not only for bangladesh, for india as well. This was my point. 3. A company's sale drops and rises in every hour, if I could manage enough time and energy (like you seem to have), I could also come up with gazzilions of other web links where people are shitting on jaguars. Above all, that was not my point. 4. I gave an analogy of TATA with smuggled cows, just to explain how bangladesh is a lucrative market for india, from a marginal cow-smuggler to even a conglomerate like TATA, but somehow you failed to grasp this argument. 5. Well, you have mentioned "illigal immigrants" and posted some web craps explaining "how bangladeshis are fleeing to india like mexican people does into the US". That's why I mentioned my first hand experiences about the actual situations on the borders. Please keep in mind, india-bangladesh border crossings are not aimed to "achieve economic freedom by the poors from bangladesh". People from the both sides cross the border, every day, because of a set of completely different reasons. That's why I mentioned tijuana/san-diego, but again, for some strange reason, I failed to inject that into your thick membrane. 6. Above all, these poor peoples smuggle drugs and cows, may be, sometimes cotton sarees. I am not sure why they are so dangerous that might collapse your sovereignty. 7. and as for all those shootings, they are mostly caused by dispute on bribes, well, now please don't pretend that you are not an indian, and have never heard of "bribes" before. I can't give you any web-craps on these stories, because I don't want to, you will be able to find it yourself. 8. I do not give a rat's ass about cultural similarity or difference, and my comments go nowhere near those. I am not sure why you are babbling that same "culture" crap again and again. 9. This is what I see always, indians like to brag about india and only brags in front of the folks from bangladesh (and nepal, pakistan, bhutan, srilanka may be?). I think it's a good time to stop doing that, yes, india might be a better place than bangladesh, just like bangladesh might be a better place than burkina faso. But such comparison does not fly too high, not anymore. 10. Please try get this real fact straight into your head, india is india, it's not germany, japan, france or south-korea, it's india. If you look at the majority of indian people's life standard, india is nowhere close, even to those of singaporeans, thailanders or even to malaysians. Looks like you need to wait for another 500 years (may be ?) to get close to that. 11. Let me tell you something, looks like it's really a good time to get more "real" facts, so in the meantime, please enjoy this video -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0 I am done, not going to comment on this crap anymore.

shripadk 10y ago

The funny thing is that even the first article you linked to was published on 3/26/2008. Just after being acquired by TATA. > well, you can do googling all day and spitting out all those craps about TATA, nothing is going to come out of this, moreover this discussion will fan out to other unrelated topic. That's precisely what you just did: "googling all day and spitting out all those craps about TATA". You made a stupid point about TATA not selling it's cars in any country other than India's neighbors and asked me to prove you otherwise. When I called you out on that, you now on the back-foot and instead talk about the "crappiness" of the car and the temporary "declining" sales in the US. You talk about "hilariously being on the verge of another bail out" but I can link you to a more recent article (5 Jan 2016) on Jaguar Land Rover sales picking up in the US by 30%: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/05/jaguar-land-rover/78315742/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/05/jaguar-l... The real issue is that you just choose to use outdated links that fit your discourse.