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obviously Tesla is the front runner for spearheading the insudtry by virtually every metric & subsector (except maybe price). Look, I love Tesla and have been b

obviously Tesla is the front runner for spearheading the insudtry by virtually every metric & subsector (except maybe price). Look, I love Tesla and have been bullish on the company for a pretty long time, so I am biased, but why can't other car companies have quality cars and aesthetics. * Fisker Karma: The car looked super sleek, was super sexy and from an engineering standpoint it was a heap of shit. * Chevy Volt: Was an ICE car that had the worst of both worlds. Not particularly attractive. * Rimac Concept One: Ok this car was fucking brilliant but it was like $1M USD. * Prius: Pretty decent as far as hybrids go. Aesthetics are lacking what many might consider: the ability to not look like a cross between a golf cart and a mobility scooter. * Chevey Bolt: Seems to have pretty amazing specs. Aesthetics are sub-par for sure. Yes, Tesla's thing was making a compelling electric car, however other manufacturers seem to be doing alright in actually making the car. They just need to bend the metal in a way that doesn't look fucking horrible and Tesla will have a bit harder of a time of it. Edit: Here is a quick album I made. Nearly every car looks the same: http://imgur.com/a/HEsyf http://imgur.com/a/HEsyf edit 2: Here[t] you can see Tesla's offerings. The roadster is omitted. However, of the 4 cars, they made: roadster and the models s,3,x,y* you would be hard pressed to confuse them for any of the cars in the above album. However, those in that album are very close to one another aesthetically. [t]http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/05/2017-Tesla-Model-3-2016-Tesla-Model-X-Tesla-Model-S-charging-stations.jpg http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/05/2017-Tesla-... * they haven't made y yet....

jejones3141 10y ago
As time goes on, CAFE standards tighten, etc., aren't cars converging on whatever turns out to be the aerodynamically optimal shape?
megablast 10y ago
They look like every other car to me, I have no idea what you are talking about.
techbubble 10y ago
One more for the list -- I got a Mercedes B250e three months ago and have been quite happy with it. It has a Tesla drive train [0] and although the official range is 83 miles per charge, I consistently get around 105. Bonus -- the CarPlay integration is really well-done. [0] http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-b-class-e-cell http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-b-class-e-cell
FigBug 10y ago
I think the Chevy Bolt looks ok, fairly similar to other current small cars. The BMW i3 is hideously ugly. The Nissan Leaf is growing on me, but maybe that's just because I bought one and now have some form of Stockholm Syndrome. The headlights are stupid looking, but I like the rest of the car.
Spooky23 10y ago
It's too bad about the Volt. I drove one a few times... It isn't a terrible car at all, and bypasses the gaping flaws in a pure electric vehicle.
- ScottBurson 10y ago
  What's too bad about the Volt? I may be about to buy one of the new ones. The 2016 model has better electric range and looks better too.
  - Spooky23 10y ago
    It doesn't seem to have done too well in the market and gets ragged on a lot. IMO a good concept.
    - ScottBurson 10y ago
      I guess I live in a bubble. Here in Sunnyvale I see them everywhere.
  - dade_ 10y ago
    They are great cars, nice and quiet, very comfortable seats, good performance, full set of options (no self driving) and GM offers excellent warranty coverage. Puritans don't like the hybrid part, but the simple fact is that there isn't sufficient charging infrastructure to support pure EV cars in most places and certainly if I take a trip into the country I won't be able to charge it for the trip back, but can easily refuel. They do increase demand for power plugs at employers, residential buildings, shopping centres, etc so I think they help the cause and improve the practicality of pure EV vehicles. Take one for a test drive, my favourite comment is, "Oh, these are actually nice." There is enough EV trashing going on as it is, some people would do well to actually put some thought into their opinions before sharing them.
- vonklaus 10y ago
  What do you see as the 'gaping flaws' of a pure electric vehicle? I would never want a hybrid, as I would optimize for either an ICE or EV but there doesn't seem to be space in a consumer vehicle to have a workable hybrid that is better than either of its pureplay counterparts.
andromeduck 10y ago
Uh... what about the leaf?! IMO that's the car spearheading the movement right now.
haikuginger 10y ago
I recall reading an article (can't find it at the moment) that suggested that the ugliness of hybrid/electric vehicles was, in general, a deliberate move; that people buying an EV didn't actually want an EV (even if they thought they did); they wanted their neighbors to think they wanted an EV, and designing EVs in a distinctive style allowed that market to be tapped much more effectively than if EVs had followed the design patterns of IC vehicles.
Bromskloss 10y ago
> Rimac Concept One Nice! I wonder if it's available with a combustion engine.

jejones3141 10y ago

As time goes on, CAFE standards tighten, etc., aren't cars converging on whatever turns out to be the aerodynamically optimal shape?

megablast 10y ago

They look like every other car to me, I have no idea what you are talking about.

techbubble 10y ago

One more for the list -- I got a Mercedes B250e three months ago and have been quite happy with it. It has a Tesla drive train [0] and although the official range is 83 miles per charge, I consistently get around 105. Bonus -- the CarPlay integration is really well-done. [0] http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-b-class-e-cell http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-b-class-e-cell

FigBug 10y ago

I think the Chevy Bolt looks ok, fairly similar to other current small cars. The BMW i3 is hideously ugly. The Nissan Leaf is growing on me, but maybe that's just because I bought one and now have some form of Stockholm Syndrome. The headlights are stupid looking, but I like the rest of the car.

Spooky23 10y ago

It's too bad about the Volt. I drove one a few times... It isn't a terrible car at all, and bypasses the gaping flaws in a pure electric vehicle.

ScottBurson 10y ago
What's too bad about the Volt? I may be about to buy one of the new ones. The 2016 model has better electric range and looks better too.
- Spooky23 10y ago
  It doesn't seem to have done too well in the market and gets ragged on a lot. IMO a good concept.
  - ScottBurson 10y ago
    I guess I live in a bubble. Here in Sunnyvale I see them everywhere.
- dade_ 10y ago
  They are great cars, nice and quiet, very comfortable seats, good performance, full set of options (no self driving) and GM offers excellent warranty coverage. Puritans don't like the hybrid part, but the simple fact is that there isn't sufficient charging infrastructure to support pure EV cars in most places and certainly if I take a trip into the country I won't be able to charge it for the trip back, but can easily refuel. They do increase demand for power plugs at employers, residential buildings, shopping centres, etc so I think they help the cause and improve the practicality of pure EV vehicles. Take one for a test drive, my favourite comment is, "Oh, these are actually nice." There is enough EV trashing going on as it is, some people would do well to actually put some thought into their opinions before sharing them.
vonklaus 10y ago
What do you see as the 'gaping flaws' of a pure electric vehicle? I would never want a hybrid, as I would optimize for either an ICE or EV but there doesn't seem to be space in a consumer vehicle to have a workable hybrid that is better than either of its pureplay counterparts.

andromeduck 10y ago

Uh... what about the leaf?! IMO that's the car spearheading the movement right now.

haikuginger 10y ago

I recall reading an article (can't find it at the moment) that suggested that the ugliness of hybrid/electric vehicles was, in general, a deliberate move; that people buying an EV didn't actually want an EV (even if they thought they did); they wanted their neighbors to think they wanted an EV, and designing EVs in a distinctive style allowed that market to be tapped much more effectively than if EVs had followed the design patterns of IC vehicles.

Bromskloss 10y ago

> Rimac Concept One Nice! I wonder if it's available with a combustion engine.