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What is a good alternative?

by Nemant 10y ago

biokoda 10y ago
As mentioned multiple times in this thread: Elixir and the phoenix framework
phonon 10y ago
Django.
- antod 10y ago
  Although the writer was a fan of DataMapper. I imagine the Pyramid/SQLAlchemy combo might appeal more to them.
thawab 10y ago
There is no good alternative without specifying the use case. In the main article he is looking into Elixir, Clojure and Haskell, because it fits what his working on.
robto 10y ago
He mentions it at the end, but I'd strongly agree that Clojure addresses the issues he mentions. I see a lot of discussion in this thread about Elixir and Phoenix, but I'd take another look at Clojure. It's got a strong, friendly ecosystem that encourages small, composable libraries. For every level of your application, there's competition - http servers, sql abstractions, front end libraries. And there's great resources to help you choose what works best for your use case - the Luminus docs, books, blogs, and several active forums for discussion with library owners and just regular developers. Couple that with a community that really took Rich Hickey's "Simple made easy" talk to heart and the default immutability and functional paradigm and the abstractions that Clojure itself has to offer, not to mention the performance the JVM brings to the table, and I think it's a great language to hang your hat on in the long haul.
- Naomarik 10y ago
  I'm going Clojure route and in it for the long run. Being able to eval any single piece of your code in a REPL direct from your IDE in the context of your app is just insane. Also having one single language for JavaScript and JVM is super useful. Also after programming for 4 years a bit I've felt the core of programming beyond CRUD/consuming APIs is about manipulating data structures. Having powerful utilities for this and not having to shove everything into classes and objects makes it really easy to get stuff done. Going back to Ruby feels like I'm working with a kludge in comparison. Everything that doesn't need to be a class is one, then you get caught up in naming things. Then you try to debug things to end up with an object that has 500 methods on it and you don't know where half of them came from because they were metaprogrammed in through 10 layers of indirection. Yesterday I tried upgrading to Rails 5 and gave up because I couldn't debug an outdated library in 6 hours without realizing I have to figure out what this library and ActiveSupport/Model is doing in order to make headway. Ain't nobody got time for that.
incepted 10y ago
Java (or better, Kotlin) coupled with DropWizard (or Jetty or Tomcat).

What is a good alternative?

by Nemant 10y ago

What is a good alternative?

biokoda 10y ago

As mentioned multiple times in this thread: Elixir and the phoenix framework

phonon 10y ago

Django.

antod 10y ago
Although the writer was a fan of DataMapper. I imagine the Pyramid/SQLAlchemy combo might appeal more to them.

thawab 10y ago

There is no good alternative without specifying the use case. In the main article he is looking into Elixir, Clojure and Haskell, because it fits what his working on.

robto 10y ago

He mentions it at the end, but I'd strongly agree that Clojure addresses the issues he mentions. I see a lot of discussion in this thread about Elixir and Phoenix, but I'd take another look at Clojure. It's got a strong, friendly ecosystem that encourages small, composable libraries. For every level of your application, there's competition - http servers, sql abstractions, front end libraries. And there's great resources to help you choose what works best for your use case - the Luminus docs, books, blogs, and several active forums for discussion with library owners and just regular developers. Couple that with a community that really took Rich Hickey's "Simple made easy" talk to heart and the default immutability and functional paradigm and the abstractions that Clojure itself has to offer, not to mention the performance the JVM brings to the table, and I think it's a great language to hang your hat on in the long haul.

Naomarik 10y ago
I'm going Clojure route and in it for the long run. Being able to eval any single piece of your code in a REPL direct from your IDE in the context of your app is just insane. Also having one single language for JavaScript and JVM is super useful. Also after programming for 4 years a bit I've felt the core of programming beyond CRUD/consuming APIs is about manipulating data structures. Having powerful utilities for this and not having to shove everything into classes and objects makes it really easy to get stuff done. Going back to Ruby feels like I'm working with a kludge in comparison. Everything that doesn't need to be a class is one, then you get caught up in naming things. Then you try to debug things to end up with an object that has 500 methods on it and you don't know where half of them came from because they were metaprogrammed in through 10 layers of indirection. Yesterday I tried upgrading to Rails 5 and gave up because I couldn't debug an outdated library in 6 hours without realizing I have to figure out what this library and ActiveSupport/Model is doing in order to make headway. Ain't nobody got time for that.

incepted 10y ago

Java (or better, Kotlin) coupled with DropWizard (or Jetty or Tomcat).