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> I hope that one day people in Turkey will break their chains and get rid of that human-made arabic culture. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Turkis
by gotchange 10y ago
> I hope that one day people in Turkey will break their chains and get rid of that human-made arabic culture.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that Turkish people manage to get rid of the Arabian deity (Mohammad's god) they embraced a millennia ago, it would be an uphill battle for them against history because whether you like it or not, the most bright spots in history for Turkish people were during the reign of Seljuks and Ottomans, neither would have happened hadn't for the Islamic doctrine and faith.
You could argue of course that Turkey founded by Ataturk was still something impressive and to look up to but it still pales in comparison with what had been achieved during these two eras at least from an imperialistic and militaristic points of view.
That's why I think it wouldn't be easy for Turkey to break free from the negative Arabian influence and Sahara culture even if they renounce Islam altogether when compared to other countries in the region with more diverse and rich history spanning various civilizations and glorious times, and therefore they should focus more on how to reconcile with their past and history and not just get in state of denial about it.
- Snargorf 10y agoWhat you said would also apply to, say, the British Empire, which was very Christian for its entire existence. Most people don't really care about the details of history that much - just whatever narrative they can spin that satisfies today's needs.
- gotchange 10y agoDid the British force people to convert to Christianity for them to enjoy the benefits of being subjects of the monarchy? The British Empire was vast and I can't come up with a definite answer for all the areas that were colonized by them but in my country "Egypt", they didn't do that. They however facilitated the work of western missionaries but it didn't achieve much with the Muslim locals and probably contributed to the outrage of Coptic clergy as these missionaries were snatching people from their congregation. Other than that, the British didn't really care about religion and their social order was constructed on race/class first basis and anything else second while for the Ottomans it was all about religion first and anything else second.
- PhantomGremlin 10y agoDid the British force people to convert to Christianity for them to enjoy the benefits of being subjects of the monarchy? How far back in history do you want to go? Plenty of battles within Christianity in British history. E.g. King Henry VIII didn't accept the authority of the pope and led the Church of England away from the Roman Catholic Church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England#Separation_from_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England#Separation_f... A few generations later, things got pretty dicey for the remaining Catholics: England’s Elizabethan Catholics were public enemy number one. Their Masses were banned and their priests were executed. http://www.historyextra.com/article/elizabeth-i/elizabeth-i%E2%80%99s-war-england%E2%80%99s-catholics http://www.historyextra.com/article/elizabeth-i/elizabeth-i%...
- gotchange 10y agoDid the British persecute Catholics when they were in an imperialist/expansionist mode around the world? To the best of my knowledge, that didn't happen. The British Empire in its quests wasn't concerned about anti-Catholicism and disdain for the authority of the Pope, it was primarily driven by political/financial gains. On the other hand, for the Ottoman Turks it was all about Jihad and the subjugation of non-Muslims in newly conquered territories. The persecution and discrimination against non-Muslims for the subjects of their realm was one of the founding principles of taheir rule and public policy.