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Even if it was, unless you're saying robots are going to buy and sell things to each other, all economic activity is oriented around humans. There's no point to

Even if it was, unless you're saying robots are going to buy and sell things to each other, all economic activity is oriented around humans. There's no point to AI without us. As well put a dishwasher in the jungle. The monkeys might like it, but they sure won't use it to wash clothes.

thomasahle 10y ago
> There's no point to AI without us. But all of us? That's where the class thing comes in.
- vinceguidry 10y ago
  If AI is truly useful, then it'll be put to use for everybody. Technology has been dicking around with our social classes for thousands of years. You could argue that technology is the whole reason we have social classes in the first place. You have to ask yourself what's so different about AI. It's an interesting question, but none of the more dramatic answers are really unprecedented. It's a "what is true isn't new, and what's new isn't true," sort of deal. Is it going to make some of us useless? Then it's going to make all of us useless, because there won't be any point in just deploying AI to serve only the elites. All technology eventually filters out to serve everyone.
  - thomasahle 10y ago
    > there won't be any point in just deploying AI to serve only the elites. Why? If it's the elites that deploy it?
    - vinceguidry 10y ago
      Technology is always deployed first by the elites to serve the elites. But those elites don't live in a vacuum and are never completely self-sufficient. So eventually they'll want to trade access to their technology for something they do want. An example of this is military tech. The US sells surplus military equipment to anybody that will buy it, even sophisticated kit like F-16s. Naturally, they keep the best stuff to themselves, you can't buy an F-22 at the moment for any price. But eventually even the F-22 will be old tech and you'll be able to buy one.
new_hackers 10y ago
To be fair, I don't use my dishwasher to wash clothes either
- vinceguidry 10y ago
  Hah, whoops. Well played, sir, now I can't change it.
  - new_hackers 10y ago
    No worries, even with the typo you did make a valid point

thomasahle 10y ago

> There's no point to AI without us. But all of us? That's where the class thing comes in.

vinceguidry 10y ago
If AI is truly useful, then it'll be put to use for everybody. Technology has been dicking around with our social classes for thousands of years. You could argue that technology is the whole reason we have social classes in the first place. You have to ask yourself what's so different about AI. It's an interesting question, but none of the more dramatic answers are really unprecedented. It's a "what is true isn't new, and what's new isn't true," sort of deal. Is it going to make some of us useless? Then it's going to make all of us useless, because there won't be any point in just deploying AI to serve only the elites. All technology eventually filters out to serve everyone.
- thomasahle 10y ago
  > there won't be any point in just deploying AI to serve only the elites. Why? If it's the elites that deploy it?
  - vinceguidry 10y ago
    Technology is always deployed first by the elites to serve the elites. But those elites don't live in a vacuum and are never completely self-sufficient. So eventually they'll want to trade access to their technology for something they do want. An example of this is military tech. The US sells surplus military equipment to anybody that will buy it, even sophisticated kit like F-16s. Naturally, they keep the best stuff to themselves, you can't buy an F-22 at the moment for any price. But eventually even the F-22 will be old tech and you'll be able to buy one.

new_hackers 10y ago

To be fair, I don't use my dishwasher to wash clothes either

vinceguidry 10y ago
Hah, whoops. Well played, sir, now I can't change it.
- new_hackers 10y ago
  No worries, even with the typo you did make a valid point