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Of course, you failed to mention, or didn't know, that only 50 years before the conflict, the ethnic structure was: 1953: 65% Albanians vs 23% Serbs In the ev

Of course, you failed to mention, or didn't know, that only 50 years before the conflict, the ethnic structure was: 1953: 65% Albanians vs 23% Serbs In the eve of the 1999 bombing, it was: 1991: 82% Albanians vs 10% Serbs And after the bombing and separation: 2011: 93% Albanians vs 1.5% Serbs So, Albanians jumped from 65% to 93% and Serbs virtually disappeared from 23% to 1.5% in just 60 years. So, can you tell me - how's that explained? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kosovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kosovo

ptaipale 10y ago
Again, quite obviously, what happened between 1953 and 1991 cannot be something that "all started with" bombings in 1999. None of this is a good explanation for why Muslims are currently being lured by extremist preachers with Middle Eastern funding.
ddorian43 10y ago
Many Kosovars moved to Albania to escape the war by Serbia. Did the same thing happened with Serbians living in Kosovo?
- ptaipale 10y ago
  Definitely. And it did not start from the 1990's Balkans war, it's older than that. http://www.transconflict.com/2013/05/reasons-and-causes-of-serbian-migration-from-kosovo-03/ http://www.transconflict.com/2013/05/reasons-and-causes-of-s... The idea that Serbian emigration from Kosovo was a problem was brought out for the first time by Dobrica Ćosić in 1968, but this was censored by the Communist authorities. In the early 1970s, a number of Kosovo Serb officials raised the issue in Kosovo’s party organs of the province’s growing Albanization and the problems this posed for the non-Albanian population.
HowardMei 10y ago
Birth rate gap? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Serbia It happens everywhere that Islamic ethnic groups replace others with population explosion.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  Birth rates may be somewhat different, but I don't that's so significant. In the case of former Yugoslavian states, what has happened is that ethnic groups, which formerly used to live in mixed areas, have moved away and concentrated each on their own area. Serbs have moved to Serbia, Croats to Croatia, Muslims have moved out of these. This was result of a mix of fear, actual violent ethnic cleansing by extremists, but also within each population, just a desire to live within one's own ethnic and religious enclave.
  - iofj 10y ago
    I'd love to know what birth rate gap explains a 85% drop in population in 20 years. And the ethnic cleansing is happening everywhere in Europe now. Muslim enclaves with only tiny amounts of non-muslims are a fact in every Western European city I know about.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      > Muslim enclaves with only tiny amounts of non-muslims are a fact in every Western European city I know about. That's a ridiculous claim. Here's a list of largest cities in the European Union by population within city limits. This list ranges from cities with population over 8million (London) to 315,000 (Catania). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_in_the_... You have no idea what happens in most of those cities, yet you make this claim anyway. And you focus on muslims, ignoring the strong tendency of some (but not all) immigrants to live in communities. When I do it I'm an ex-pat. When they do it they're evil muslim scum, right? EDIT: You may wish to re-read dang's comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518006 And here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10897270 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10897270

ptaipale 10y ago

Again, quite obviously, what happened between 1953 and 1991 cannot be something that "all started with" bombings in 1999. None of this is a good explanation for why Muslims are currently being lured by extremist preachers with Middle Eastern funding.

ddorian43 10y ago

Many Kosovars moved to Albania to escape the war by Serbia. Did the same thing happened with Serbians living in Kosovo?

ptaipale 10y ago
Definitely. And it did not start from the 1990's Balkans war, it's older than that. http://www.transconflict.com/2013/05/reasons-and-causes-of-serbian-migration-from-kosovo-03/ http://www.transconflict.com/2013/05/reasons-and-causes-of-s... The idea that Serbian emigration from Kosovo was a problem was brought out for the first time by Dobrica Ćosić in 1968, but this was censored by the Communist authorities. In the early 1970s, a number of Kosovo Serb officials raised the issue in Kosovo’s party organs of the province’s growing Albanization and the problems this posed for the non-Albanian population.

HowardMei 10y ago

Birth rate gap? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Serbia It happens everywhere that Islamic ethnic groups replace others with population explosion.

ptaipale 10y ago
Birth rates may be somewhat different, but I don't that's so significant. In the case of former Yugoslavian states, what has happened is that ethnic groups, which formerly used to live in mixed areas, have moved away and concentrated each on their own area. Serbs have moved to Serbia, Croats to Croatia, Muslims have moved out of these. This was result of a mix of fear, actual violent ethnic cleansing by extremists, but also within each population, just a desire to live within one's own ethnic and religious enclave.
- iofj 10y ago
  I'd love to know what birth rate gap explains a 85% drop in population in 20 years. And the ethnic cleansing is happening everywhere in Europe now. Muslim enclaves with only tiny amounts of non-muslims are a fact in every Western European city I know about.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > Muslim enclaves with only tiny amounts of non-muslims are a fact in every Western European city I know about. That's a ridiculous claim. Here's a list of largest cities in the European Union by population within city limits. This list ranges from cities with population over 8million (London) to 315,000 (Catania). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_in_the_... You have no idea what happens in most of those cities, yet you make this claim anyway. And you focus on muslims, ignoring the strong tendency of some (but not all) immigrants to live in communities. When I do it I'm an ex-pat. When they do it they're evil muslim scum, right? EDIT: You may wish to re-read dang's comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518006 And here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10897270 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10897270