2 ms·

There's a epistemology problem in modern science. There was a reddit AMA a while back about some guy who was paralyzed and got stem cell treatments in China an

There's a epistemology problem in modern science. There was a reddit AMA a while back about some guy who was paralyzed and got stem cell treatments in China and can walk now[1]. In the thread nobody believed him, especially all the people chiming in with lots of credentials. The thread is really sad. The rule seems to be, if the U.S gatekeepers didn't approve it, it doesn't exist, no matter the empirical evidence. Liz Parrish's gene therapy to increase her telomeres is another example of this. No matter how many labs measured her telomeres before and after, in some people's minds it's not science because it didn't go through the relevant gatekeepers. [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k1hts/i_am_a_28yr_old_american_who_went_to_china_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k1hts/i_am_a_28yr_old...

raverbashing 10y ago
> The rule seems to be, if the U.S gatekeepers didn't approve it, it doesn't exist, no matter the empirical evidence. This, as they say, they measure it by peer-review and empirical results. Which is fine if access to journals was easy enough for Chinese results to get everywhere. And don't make any mistake, the NIH syndrome is hard in science. Any paper from outside of US/Canada,Australia/NZ and Western Europe is more likely to become a cup holder than anything else
zer00eyz 10y ago
This list includes a few nobel prize winners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medici... The fact that these folks driven to test on them selves is a fair indication of how bounded the box can be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Forssmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Forssmann and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall Are two great examples of folks going way out of the box to prove a point, and seeing reward for it.

raverbashing 10y ago

> The rule seems to be, if the U.S gatekeepers didn't approve it, it doesn't exist, no matter the empirical evidence. This, as they say, they measure it by peer-review and empirical results. Which is fine if access to journals was easy enough for Chinese results to get everywhere. And don't make any mistake, the NIH syndrome is hard in science. Any paper from outside of US/Canada,Australia/NZ and Western Europe is more likely to become a cup holder than anything else

zer00eyz 10y ago

This list includes a few nobel prize winners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medici... The fact that these folks driven to test on them selves is a fair indication of how bounded the box can be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Forssmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Forssmann and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall Are two great examples of folks going way out of the box to prove a point, and seeing reward for it.