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Classy colonialist position. If you cannot develop your own curriculum, we will move you and take your land and resources. Do you really think First American Na

Classy colonialist position. If you cannot develop your own curriculum, we will move you and take your land and resources. Do you really think First American Nations had a poor life just because they had no electricity?

walrus01 10y ago
Maybe they'd rather learn Chinese? I don't care what they study nor do I want to "colonize" their desert. Anything that improves their standard of living and political self determination is probably an improvement at this point.
- ommunist 10y ago
  If 'you' will not, China can get control of that thorium in that sands.
fennecfoxen 10y ago
The First American Nations had lots of land and discretion to raise crops, hunt, and self-determine their political futures on a tribal level. These guys don't. There are 165,000 people in refugee camps because the King has control of their land and will basically never give it back. They're already moved. Their land and resources are already gone. The only way they're likely to get it back is an ugly war of some sort, a substantial part of which must be waged by external powers on behalf of these people or they will simply lose. As this war simply isn't going to happen, the only sane way forward to get these people and their future generations out of this misery is to get them out of there and send them to places where they will be recognized as human beings instead of as an obnoxious political problem. In the current state of the world this is, for better or worse, much more practical when they are capable of supporting themselves and prospering in an urban environment. That takes education, and broadly speaking education in English is probably the choice that gives them the best options right now, unless somewhere non-English-speaking is specifically offering to give them a break (which would be smashing, doubly so if the Somewhere is Morocco itself, but I've not heard of it). And getting just one of those people out of there and into an English-speaking nation has already contributed substantially to international recognition of their plight through this article.
- ommunist 10y ago
  I like the way you protect that Kings's particular right to own land of these people.
  - fennecfoxen 10y ago
    > I like the way you protect that Kings's particular right to own land of these people. ommunist, I'd like to ask you very kindly and seriously to reconsider whether you should be discussing this matter in these pages. If that reads to you as protecting the king's right then you're so laser-focused on finding a way to grind the axe of "down with colonialism" that you've already made up your mind not just what's right and wrong but what everyone else thinks and as such you have no room in your mind to understand the motives of other people discussing the matter. There is nothing in my comment to suggest any right which the King has to those lands besides the fact that he presently occupies them and maintains an ability to command force to protect them (force which the world is disinterested in challenging). Complaining that I'm "protecting the rights" of this distasteful actor is silly and as far as I can tell all you're doing here in general right now is looking for ways to spit bile at people. That's not conducive to a healthy discussion forum. And that's the charitable interpretation which assumes you are operating in good faith out of your care for the downtrodden of the world. Maybe you're just a bona fide troll here, in which case, you're doing a great job.

walrus01 10y ago

Maybe they'd rather learn Chinese? I don't care what they study nor do I want to "colonize" their desert. Anything that improves their standard of living and political self determination is probably an improvement at this point.

ommunist 10y ago
If 'you' will not, China can get control of that thorium in that sands.

fennecfoxen 10y ago

The First American Nations had lots of land and discretion to raise crops, hunt, and self-determine their political futures on a tribal level. These guys don't. There are 165,000 people in refugee camps because the King has control of their land and will basically never give it back. They're already moved. Their land and resources are already gone. The only way they're likely to get it back is an ugly war of some sort, a substantial part of which must be waged by external powers on behalf of these people or they will simply lose. As this war simply isn't going to happen, the only sane way forward to get these people and their future generations out of this misery is to get them out of there and send them to places where they will be recognized as human beings instead of as an obnoxious political problem. In the current state of the world this is, for better or worse, much more practical when they are capable of supporting themselves and prospering in an urban environment. That takes education, and broadly speaking education in English is probably the choice that gives them the best options right now, unless somewhere non-English-speaking is specifically offering to give them a break (which would be smashing, doubly so if the Somewhere is Morocco itself, but I've not heard of it). And getting just one of those people out of there and into an English-speaking nation has already contributed substantially to international recognition of their plight through this article.

ommunist 10y ago
I like the way you protect that Kings's particular right to own land of these people.
- fennecfoxen 10y ago
  > I like the way you protect that Kings's particular right to own land of these people. ommunist, I'd like to ask you very kindly and seriously to reconsider whether you should be discussing this matter in these pages. If that reads to you as protecting the king's right then you're so laser-focused on finding a way to grind the axe of "down with colonialism" that you've already made up your mind not just what's right and wrong but what everyone else thinks and as such you have no room in your mind to understand the motives of other people discussing the matter. There is nothing in my comment to suggest any right which the King has to those lands besides the fact that he presently occupies them and maintains an ability to command force to protect them (force which the world is disinterested in challenging). Complaining that I'm "protecting the rights" of this distasteful actor is silly and as far as I can tell all you're doing here in general right now is looking for ways to spit bile at people. That's not conducive to a healthy discussion forum. And that's the charitable interpretation which assumes you are operating in good faith out of your care for the downtrodden of the world. Maybe you're just a bona fide troll here, in which case, you're doing a great job.