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Why PuSH (or PubSubHubbub) Could Threaten Twitter

14 points by cmelbye 17y ago

z8000 17y ago
"Blogging Pro"? Right. My unborn child has a better grasp of basic grammar rules. What an annoying thing to read!
morisy 17y ago
RSS never caught on among the masses like many hoped, and PuSH really doesn't address much of the usability concerns, as nice an upgrade as it is to bringing feeds to real time. Positioning PuSH as a "Twitter killer" I think forgets or ignores most of this history. Instead, Twitter and other microblogging services are likely to adopt or co-opt it and CloudRSS. More succinctly: PuSh is plumbing, not a full service.
- whalesalad 17y ago
  I could not agree more. I don't know why people keep making claims that a technology (PuSH) can kill a service (Twitter) with a HUGE community behind it. The value in Twitter isn't the tech (it's nearly featureless), but the users, community, and experience that it provides.
  - 00joe 17y ago
    Is twitter really more popular than RSS? How many of those 10 billion tweets have ever been read by anyone?
    - barkingcat 17y ago
      as a consumer destination site and a social networking hub, twitter is much more "popular" than RSS. If we define popularity as being visible in popular media, and generally acknowledged by a large portion of the population around the world as something that people know of and know about, then yes - Twitter is many orders of magnitude more popular than RSS.
    - jasonlbaptiste 17y ago
      a better way to look at it is: utilized on a daily basis.
- sjs 17y ago
  I agree it's not a Twitter killer. My sisters are in their early 30s and don't really have any idea what Twitter is for or why they would want to use it, but they blog and subscribe to blogs with Google Reader. Their use of RSS is not changed at all by PuSH. I don't like this notion that every piece of tech has to be a "killer", as if there is always exactly one winner. There's a lot of room for a lot of different solutions, for lots of different kinds of people that want different things from technology. Not everyone is a tech-obsessed geek like most of us. :) (I mean that in the nicest way possible)
timcash 17y ago
PuSH is for Server to Server and does not address NAT issues. Until this problem is solved I dont see how it can replace something like Twitter which is becoming a protocol of its own. If you also consider the ability to search and filter twitter (even by location) it is a ways ahead of RSS and ATOM

14 points by cmelbye 17y ago

z8000 17y ago

"Blogging Pro"? Right. My unborn child has a better grasp of basic grammar rules. What an annoying thing to read!

RSS never caught on among the masses like many hoped, and PuSH really doesn't address much of the usability concerns, as nice an upgrade as it is to bringing feeds to real time. Positioning PuSH as a "Twitter killer" I think forgets or ignores most of this history. Instead, Twitter and other microblogging services are likely to adopt or co-opt it and CloudRSS. More succinctly: PuSh is plumbing, not a full service.

whalesalad 17y ago
I could not agree more. I don't know why people keep making claims that a technology (PuSH) can kill a service (Twitter) with a HUGE community behind it. The value in Twitter isn't the tech (it's nearly featureless), but the users, community, and experience that it provides.
- 00joe 17y ago
  Is twitter really more popular than RSS? How many of those 10 billion tweets have ever been read by anyone?
  - barkingcat 17y ago
    as a consumer destination site and a social networking hub, twitter is much more "popular" than RSS. If we define popularity as being visible in popular media, and generally acknowledged by a large portion of the population around the world as something that people know of and know about, then yes - Twitter is many orders of magnitude more popular than RSS.
  - jasonlbaptiste 17y ago
    a better way to look at it is: utilized on a daily basis.
sjs 17y ago
I agree it's not a Twitter killer. My sisters are in their early 30s and don't really have any idea what Twitter is for or why they would want to use it, but they blog and subscribe to blogs with Google Reader. Their use of RSS is not changed at all by PuSH. I don't like this notion that every piece of tech has to be a "killer", as if there is always exactly one winner. There's a lot of room for a lot of different solutions, for lots of different kinds of people that want different things from technology. Not everyone is a tech-obsessed geek like most of us. :) (I mean that in the nicest way possible)

timcash 17y ago

PuSH is for Server to Server and does not address NAT issues. Until this problem is solved I dont see how it can replace something like Twitter which is becoming a protocol of its own. If you also consider the ability to search and filter twitter (even by location) it is a ways ahead of RSS and ATOM