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This is so fucking absvrd it is almost as bad as giving Charlie Sheen a real estate empire and a trucker hat and letting him run for president on a platform of
by vonklaus 10y ago
This is so fucking absvrd it is almost as bad as giving Charlie Sheen a real estate empire and a trucker hat and letting him run for president on a platform of "winning so much America might get bored".
A decade and a half later, e.g. 15 fucking years after a terrorist attack we would allow people to sue a nation state because they may have played a role. Well guys, better suit up for the inbound lawsuits you would be fielding from the entire world if this precedent was set, and if it wasn't a bizarre farcical attempt at mastubatory populism* by Chuck Schumer. Except it is just that. It will never happen, and it is rediculous. 9/11 was fucking absurd, and we still don't know what the fuck happened. I mean, I don't want to go 100% jetfuel can't melt steel beams, but tower 7 just didn't suffer any structural damage, at all. So, does it make sense for some families to sue 15 years later, a country, of which some people may have contributed to this? Nah.
It took fucking 6-7 years [and I want to be super fucking clear that I believe this and it is not sarcasm] to compile a several hundred page manual on what the fuck happened to tower 7. Tower 7, as a reresher, was the tower that spontaneously dropped to the floor and did the worm even though it didn't get hit by that plane that crashed in pennsylvania. So, if you can't figure out why tall buildings are falling down after 3/4 of a decade, how the fuck are you going to let people sue a nationstate for the actions of individuals and not only prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, but then apply some sort of metric to this to quantify it financially.
Shockingly, Chuck Schumer is up for reelection in 2016. Also, as an aside (and this was true when I did the math a couple months ago) more people died from the auto-erotic asphyxiation than were either killed or rendered severely handicapped from the Zika virus.
WTF is going on.
* Sean Penn said a phrase like this and I fucking love it.
edit: While the downvotes make sense, I challenge someone to disprove the following:
* This is strictly political posturing by Chuck Schumer and will never pass & was never inteneded to.
* The concept of holding a country responsible for something like this, if applied to America, would certainly outweigh any positive it would have for the families of 9/11 victims.
* Tower 7 was fucking pulled. I know it. The core of engineers know it. And the fundamental laws of physics demand it.
- jacobolus 10y agoNote that the standard in civil lawsuits is not “beyond a reasonable doubt”, but rather the “preponderance of the evidence”. It’s weird that people keep calling out Schumer, considering there were 24 Senators who cosponsored the bill (12 Democrats and 12 Republicans), with Cornyn (R, TX) the sponsor, and it passed the full Senate (on a voice vote): https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2040/cosponsors?resultIndex=1 https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/204...
- twblalock 10y ago> Tower 7 was fucking pulled. I know it. The core of engineers know it. And the fundamental laws of physics demand it. Oh, I see. You're one of those people.
- aioprisan 10y ago> Tower 7 was fucking pulled. I know it. The core of engineers know it. And the fundamental laws of physics demand it. If you're going to go all 9/11 conspiracy theorist on us and make some wild claims about the core of engineers, maybe you should cite your rants.
- vonklaus 10y agoI have another top shelf conspiracy theory (such a dirty phrase), there is right now, at this very moment, a global subset of intelligience frameworks in place to monitor much of the internet traffic and provide survellience for the CIA & NSA. Some whistle blower leaked some evidence but it never went mainstream... edit: Also, that was hyperbole you referenced however there is a group called Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth who dispute the findings. As well as other outspoken individuals.
- aioprisan 10y agoJust because one may be true does not make some other crazy claims true. And I see you failed to cite again when you went to your 9/11 conspiracy theory.
- eloff 10y agoTower 7 had serious damage. Does this look like "no damage"? http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html There was a giant ragged hole 20 stories high!
- clock_tower 10y agoI'm glad this discussion's happening, precisely because of links like this. This explains both what happened to tower 7 (damage on the south face) and why you hear claims that it was undamaged (no damage on the north and east faces); I'll look into this website in general...
- vonklaus 10y agoI counter that is incorrect. Again, I didn't want to start a massive "Conspiracy Theory Debate". However, the pictures posted as a response to my assertion that the building was pulled prove nothing. I will rephrase my argument. The 500 page report of which I have skimmed(as much as a sane human can) and done some keyword mining on appears to not explain what happened. I contend there are inaccuracies in it, and find it odd that it took 8 years to produce it. Regardless, the building suffered structural damage to a corner. However, the entire building collapses into itself perfectly within the footprint. Statements were made that the building was "pulled" as it was unsafe. They were retracted. I don't care about citing sources, this is public knowledge. So I think it was pulled. However, I would strongly contend & double down on that 500 page book being an utter piece of shit that does not come close to explaining to a rationally inquisitive person how that tower collapsed. edit: "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein" This quote was attributed to Larry Silverstein, 2002 PBS Documentary 'America Rebuilds'. It appears in over 8k results if googled. edit 2: Architects & Mechanical Engineers for 9/11 Truth is a group of (as one would expect) Architects & Engineers. Tony Szamboti is probably the most prominently outspoken of the group. Some of the findings indicative of the group are summarized here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V3WdpzaA4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V3WdpzaA4o
- ChrisClark 10y ago> Tower 7 was fucking pulled. I know it. Ugh. I think we need browser plugins to filter these people out.
- hellbanner 10y agoThank you for posting this. This is interesting, regarding the pentagon "hit" the same day. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110207194658AAcoTQJ https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110207194658A... This is interesting, exploring the inconsistencies in the background of the alleged hijackers: http://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673 http://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Fl...
- spraak 10y agoMost HN readers seem to down vote what's not HN hive mind. Thanks for sharing your view given that I think most won't see it this way.