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Not surprised ... Apple hasn't put out a laptop with up-to-date specs for years. I'm a lifelong Mac user and I'm unhappy with their current specs.
by matheweis 10y ago
Not surprised ... Apple hasn't put out a laptop with up-to-date specs for years. I'm a lifelong Mac user and I'm unhappy with their current specs.
- duaneb 10y agoSomehow I don't think that their hardware is as much an issue as their price point. As a developer you'd still be a fool (or just loaded with elbow grease) to attempt developing with a chrome book.
- jkot 10y agoWhats wrong with Pixel? 16GB RAM, i7 CPU... I was seriously considering it as my primary dev machine.
- esturk 10y ago32GB and at most 64GB. Ok if you use it as advertised. But in this thread's context if you were to install Crouton/Ubuntu on it, that's small.
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- arcticfox 10y agoWhy? I've developed 100% on a cloud VM for years. All I need locally is a browser. Obviously wouldn't work for some things, but as a full stack developer: no problem.
- Scarbutt 10y agoHow is the web ssh client experience, do you miss anything from a real terminal? I would imagine there would be some keybindings conflicts when using vim or emacs.
- jauer 10y agoI haven't encountered any keybinding conflicts or unusual behavior with the standard SSH app (nassh), when using vim and tmux or anything else.
- geofft 10y agoI've been using an unrooted Chromebook with the SSH client (NaSSH) / the mosh app for about two years for development, and it's pretty great. If you put the app in maximized mode, CrOS routes just about all keybindings to the app. In fact there are a few that don't get routed to the OS that I wish were (I think Alt-Tab is one of them).
- arcticfox 10y agoI use the Cloud9 IDE, and it's great! I've had a few issues over the years, but fewer than when I used to develop locally. And I can log on from anywhere.
- jzymbaluk 10y agoYou can even get a full Ubuntu installation in a chroot very easily using a neat tool called Crouton[1]. Crouton lets you jump in and out of chromeos and ubuntu with a keyboard shortcut. I had a very good experience running crouton+ubuntu on my Acer c720, and I imagine it'd be even better on a higher powered computer [1]https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton
- duaneb 10y agoIf your internet connection sucks, or you need hardware access, or you're doing anything that requires a low latency, or you want to run the software locally for any reason, cloud VMs won't work. I can only imagine it working for a small subset of app developers. It's hardly a full stack solution.
- arcticfox 10y ago> If your internet connection sucks Not a problem for me, and it's pretty hard for me to develop when my internet connection sucks anyways (no modules, no documentation, no cloud access, etc.). > or you need hardware access Yes, this is the primary valid reason I see. > you're doing anything that requires a low latency Low latency from what? My cloud machines have super low latency to each other and to the net. > you want to run the software locally for any reason Running it in my cloud machine is locally, to me. The only reason it would need to be truly local if you're doing something regarding hardware / peripherals / etc., as you mentioned.
- millstone 10y agoHow do you test your website in other browsers, on a Chromebook?
- jonknee 10y agoWith a cloud based VM no doubt. Something like https://www.browserstack.com/ https://www.browserstack.com/ would fit the bill.
- millstone 10y agoHey, that's really cool! That's great for finding layout bugs. Though some of my WebGL doesn't work, and it's too slow to judge things like whether an animation is smooth, so you'll probably want some lab machines. Still, it seems strange that a web developer would prefer to develop on an OS that only supports one web browser!
- vox_mollis 10y agoAs a developer you'd still be a fool (or just loaded with elbow grease) to attempt developing with a chrome book The Chromebook Pixel running Fedora is a lovely development platform.
- colecut 10y agoI strongly disagree with this. I've used a chromebook as primary development laptop for years. Chrome shell works great. c9.io is a great IDE when I want something prettier / easier to work with than vim in a terminal Whether you're running ChromeOS, or Crouton, or GalliumOs, chromebooks (even cheap ones) are great dev machines.
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- moron4hire 10y agoI know several developers whom I consider very good at their jobs who use Chromebooks exclusively for work.
- stephenr 10y agoSmart people can still make bad decisions for a variety of reasons.
- moron4hire 10y agoRight, because some rando on HN knows better than them what works best for their situation, based on a one sentence comment by-proxy.
- johansch 10y agoThe Tim Cook version of Apple is all about milking the now, with no view towards the future. I think it was an insanely crappy decision for Steve Jobs to hand the controls of Apple to a logistics expert.
- justaman 10y agoCook is a logistics genius. Jobs put Cook in charge to keep Apple afloat until the next "idea guy" comes along.
- justaman 10y agoThe macbook is a real turd. It doesnt take long in the store to realize its not something you want to buy.
- LeifCarrotson 10y agoTheir MacBook Pro line does have (and has had for some time) some of the best hardware available. Perhaps it doesn't match purpose-built gaming notebooks, and definitely not desktops, but they usually are the first to have a new Intel processor, have newish graphics hardware, pioneered mainstream PCIe storage and high-resolution displays...You might pay a lot for what you get, but there's no doubt it's good hardware.
- SyneRyder 10y agoNot sure about being first with the new processors. I don't think the MacBook Pro has got Skylake yet, has it? Though with all the power management problems on the Surface Book, Apple may have dodged a bullet by being slow on Skylake. As for the graphics chips, you're limited to Intel integrated graphics unless you get the high-end 15" MBP with the Radeon. I generally like my MacBook Pro, but I'm less convinced it's superior to PC hardware as it used to be. It feels like Apple has lost interest in the Mac, and PC vendors are selling comparable hardware for about half the price.
- taurath 10y agoThey don't have skylake yet - but its been about 370 days since the last refresh. If they don't update at macworld next month they'll give up half their damn market share.
- vetinari 10y agoMacBook Pro is one of the few notebook lines that doesn't have Intel Skylake CPUs and GPUs or NVMe SSD yet.
- qubex 10y agoI disagree. The early 2016 MacBook (just refreshed) with the maxed-out BTO m7/512GB config is entirely satisfying.