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I don't care so much about video, but audio. I can't find a site that streams audio with out flash. This is how this change will affect me.

ramy_d 10y ago
I believe bandcamp has been flash free for quite some time
cornedor 10y ago
Including Google's own Google Music, I use Firefox in my daily browsing without Flash installed, when I want to listen to my music i've to start Google Chrome which has Flash by default. The experimental HTML5-audio toggle is always disabled for me.
- Ambroos 10y ago
  Play Music always uses HTML5 now, which is why the toggle is not available (but it's indicated badly). You can disable the built-in Flash on chrome://plugins and everything will still work.
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  - azdle 10y ago
    For me at least, it still needs Flash in Firefox, this is what I see: http://i.imgur.com/VH8aOrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VH8aOrl.jpg
  - wjoe 10y ago
    Only in Chrome, it still requires Flash in Firefox for some reason. They're using some non-standard way of doing HTML5 Audio as far as I remember, which only works in Chrome. Bug report is here - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=911837 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=911837 - It's been a while since I looked into it and looks like the details have changed recently. At least a quick attempt now tells me "Please refresh this page in your browser to get back to listening to your music. If issues persist, make sure you have Flash enabled and working."
    - fixermark 10y ago
      Is there a standard way of doing HTML5 audio? By which I mean, a standard that works cross-browser? ;)
      - cpeterso 10y ago
        Google Play Music uses MSE (Media Source Extensions) to stream MP3. Firefox doesn't support MP3 in MSE streams. Google Play Music could use AAC or Opus in MSE, like YouTube does, but they prefer MP3 because some Android devices have MP3 hardware decoders that (may!) use less battery power than software decoders. YouTube encodes all their content with in multiple formats: AAC and Opus, H.264 and VP9. I don't know why Google Play Music can't encode their music streams in both MP3 and Opus. They would save on bandwidth by using Opus. Here is the Firefox bug to add support for MP3 in MSE: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1169485 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1169485
slederer 10y ago
That's possible in HTML5 using the MSE, no problem at all.
dphunkt 10y ago
Rdio had a good HTML5-based player before they bit the dust.
mrmondo 10y ago
Bandcamp
monk_e_boy 10y ago
What happens to all those kids sites that have flash games? Our school lets the kids play cartoonnetwork (and tons of others) games.
- fixermark 10y ago
  Those sites will likely adapt or go obsolete. There are game engines now that can compile to a pure HTML / css/ Javascript runtime.
  - samsonradu 10y ago
    That's like banning petrol cars and forcing everyone to go electric (because it's possible) or walk! Why can't kids enjoy some games after all? Maybe the companies behind don't have the funds to rebuild their free-to-play games just because Google doesn't like Flash hence something valuable is lost
    - fixermark 10y ago
      It's not as simple as "Google doesn't like Flash." Flash is a known attack vector. I'd be more comfortable with the argument "Kids should be free to play games" if I didn't have to keep purging virii off my aunt's computer because she won't stop visiting Flash game sites. Besides, there are alternative browsers. If kids need to drop into Edge to play Flash games, that seems like an acceptable solution? If it isn't possible (because they're on a school network that whitelists browsers, for example), that's indicative of the cost / benefit tradeoff of that use case.
      - samsonradu 10y ago
        There are alternative browsers indeed and probably some will migrate but many won't and the Flash platform will suffer. Chrome, being dominant on the market, has the power to kill anything that doesn t align with the company s interests, which means we don t have an open web.
snsr 10y ago
Soundcloud streams without Flash.
olau 10y ago
Magnatune?

ramy_d 10y ago

I believe bandcamp has been flash free for quite some time

cornedor 10y ago

Including Google's own Google Music, I use Firefox in my daily browsing without Flash installed, when I want to listen to my music i've to start Google Chrome which has Flash by default. The experimental HTML5-audio toggle is always disabled for me.

Ambroos 10y ago
Play Music always uses HTML5 now, which is why the toggle is not available (but it's indicated badly). You can disable the built-in Flash on chrome://plugins and everything will still work.
- deleted 10y ago
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- azdle 10y ago
  For me at least, it still needs Flash in Firefox, this is what I see: http://i.imgur.com/VH8aOrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VH8aOrl.jpg
- wjoe 10y ago
  Only in Chrome, it still requires Flash in Firefox for some reason. They're using some non-standard way of doing HTML5 Audio as far as I remember, which only works in Chrome. Bug report is here - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=911837 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=911837 - It's been a while since I looked into it and looks like the details have changed recently. At least a quick attempt now tells me "Please refresh this page in your browser to get back to listening to your music. If issues persist, make sure you have Flash enabled and working."
  - fixermark 10y ago
    Is there a standard way of doing HTML5 audio? By which I mean, a standard that works cross-browser? ;)
    - cpeterso 10y ago
      Google Play Music uses MSE (Media Source Extensions) to stream MP3. Firefox doesn't support MP3 in MSE streams. Google Play Music could use AAC or Opus in MSE, like YouTube does, but they prefer MP3 because some Android devices have MP3 hardware decoders that (may!) use less battery power than software decoders. YouTube encodes all their content with in multiple formats: AAC and Opus, H.264 and VP9. I don't know why Google Play Music can't encode their music streams in both MP3 and Opus. They would save on bandwidth by using Opus. Here is the Firefox bug to add support for MP3 in MSE: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1169485 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1169485

slederer 10y ago

That's possible in HTML5 using the MSE, no problem at all.

dphunkt 10y ago

Rdio had a good HTML5-based player before they bit the dust.

mrmondo 10y ago

Bandcamp

monk_e_boy 10y ago

What happens to all those kids sites that have flash games? Our school lets the kids play cartoonnetwork (and tons of others) games.

fixermark 10y ago
Those sites will likely adapt or go obsolete. There are game engines now that can compile to a pure HTML / css/ Javascript runtime.
- samsonradu 10y ago
  That's like banning petrol cars and forcing everyone to go electric (because it's possible) or walk! Why can't kids enjoy some games after all? Maybe the companies behind don't have the funds to rebuild their free-to-play games just because Google doesn't like Flash hence something valuable is lost
  - fixermark 10y ago
    It's not as simple as "Google doesn't like Flash." Flash is a known attack vector. I'd be more comfortable with the argument "Kids should be free to play games" if I didn't have to keep purging virii off my aunt's computer because she won't stop visiting Flash game sites. Besides, there are alternative browsers. If kids need to drop into Edge to play Flash games, that seems like an acceptable solution? If it isn't possible (because they're on a school network that whitelists browsers, for example), that's indicative of the cost / benefit tradeoff of that use case.
    - samsonradu 10y ago
      There are alternative browsers indeed and probably some will migrate but many won't and the Flash platform will suffer. Chrome, being dominant on the market, has the power to kill anything that doesn t align with the company s interests, which means we don t have an open web.

snsr 10y ago

Soundcloud streams without Flash.

olau 10y ago

Magnatune?