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I saw here on HN the other day a guy in the USA who's detained for 7 moths without charge. Lesson: Don't go to, or stay in, the USA.

jbmorgado 10y ago
Are you not allowed, as a visitor to the USA to go and report about any place inside the USA were any other citizen of the USA is allowed to go and to report about?
- april1stislame 10y ago
  I don't know. You tell me, as you seem to be so well informed and ready to jump in the defense of the USA. Are you not allowed, as a visitor to NK to go and report about any place inside NK were any other citizen of NK is allowed to go and to report about?
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  - Thriptic 10y ago
    No, you are not, as evidenced by the presence of escorts throughout your stay and the search of all of your digital media upon entry and exit of the country.
    - april1stislame 10y ago
      Is that evidence that NK journalists don't get the same treatment as foreign journalists? How so?
- EliRivers 10y ago
  Snowdon sure seems to have problems following his reporting about the USA.
cheriot 10y ago
Do you have a link? Our Constitution is interpreted by the courts as allowing 72 hours to charge or release.
- gst 10y ago
  http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspect-jailed-for-7-months-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspec... "The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant, has not been charged with any child porn crimes. Instead, he remains indefinitely imprisoned in Philadelphia's Federal Detention Center for refusing to unlock two drives encrypted with Apple's FileVault software in a case that once again highlights the extent to which the authorities are going to crack encrypted devices. The man is to remain jailed "until such time that he fully complies" with the decryption order."
  - jeffmould 10y ago
    Not sure on this specific case, and IANAL, but from reading the article it sounds as if he has been found in contempt of court. When a judge rules an individual in contempt they can sentence them to an unspecified amount of time as to make them comply. In this case, although he hasn't been charged with the "headline grabbing" crime, he is charged with contempt which has no minimum/maximum sentence and is completely up to the judge's discretion.
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    - EliRivers 10y ago
      Do you anal every day, or just on special occasions?
  - throwawayrol 10y ago
    Believe it or not, people can be sent to jail for crimes other than child porn. For example, contempt of court is a crime punishable by imprisonment... He's not detained without charge. He's detained on the charge of contempt of court.
gambiting 10y ago
Reading articles on HN has long ago cemented my decision to not go to USA.
- april1stislame 10y ago
  Smart man.
- garrettgrimsley 10y ago
  That's a shame, there are many wonderful people here, just as in the DPRK and all over the world.
venomsnake 10y ago
He was charged with contempt of court if that is the case I recall.
DblPlusUngood 10y ago
Ah, the classic false equivalence argument. You can expect at least one in any thread criticizing any country that isn't the USA!
- MrZongle2 10y ago
  In this case, the Whataboutism has a mild kimchi flavor.

jbmorgado 10y ago

Are you not allowed, as a visitor to the USA to go and report about any place inside the USA were any other citizen of the USA is allowed to go and to report about?

april1stislame 10y ago
I don't know. You tell me, as you seem to be so well informed and ready to jump in the defense of the USA. Are you not allowed, as a visitor to NK to go and report about any place inside NK were any other citizen of NK is allowed to go and to report about?
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- Thriptic 10y ago
  No, you are not, as evidenced by the presence of escorts throughout your stay and the search of all of your digital media upon entry and exit of the country.
  - april1stislame 10y ago
    Is that evidence that NK journalists don't get the same treatment as foreign journalists? How so?
EliRivers 10y ago
Snowdon sure seems to have problems following his reporting about the USA.

cheriot 10y ago

Do you have a link? Our Constitution is interpreted by the courts as allowing 72 hours to charge or release.

gst 10y ago
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspect-jailed-for-7-months-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspec... "The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant, has not been charged with any child porn crimes. Instead, he remains indefinitely imprisoned in Philadelphia's Federal Detention Center for refusing to unlock two drives encrypted with Apple's FileVault software in a case that once again highlights the extent to which the authorities are going to crack encrypted devices. The man is to remain jailed "until such time that he fully complies" with the decryption order."
- jeffmould 10y ago
  Not sure on this specific case, and IANAL, but from reading the article it sounds as if he has been found in contempt of court. When a judge rules an individual in contempt they can sentence them to an unspecified amount of time as to make them comply. In this case, although he hasn't been charged with the "headline grabbing" crime, he is charged with contempt which has no minimum/maximum sentence and is completely up to the judge's discretion.
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  - EliRivers 10y ago
    Do you anal every day, or just on special occasions?
- throwawayrol 10y ago
  Believe it or not, people can be sent to jail for crimes other than child porn. For example, contempt of court is a crime punishable by imprisonment... He's not detained without charge. He's detained on the charge of contempt of court.

gambiting 10y ago

Reading articles on HN has long ago cemented my decision to not go to USA.

april1stislame 10y ago
Smart man.
garrettgrimsley 10y ago
That's a shame, there are many wonderful people here, just as in the DPRK and all over the world.

venomsnake 10y ago

He was charged with contempt of court if that is the case I recall.

DblPlusUngood 10y ago

Ah, the classic false equivalence argument. You can expect at least one in any thread criticizing any country that isn't the USA!

MrZongle2 10y ago
In this case, the Whataboutism has a mild kimchi flavor.