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What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
- specialist 10y agoPlease add the pundit's name [Glenn Beck] in the submission.
- hellbanner 10y agoWhy, I don't usually see author titles on blog posts? In fact, none of the front page links have author names right now.
- scholia 10y agoIn this case, it's better off without the name in the headline. Many people would probably assume that anything by Glenn Beck would be far-right nonsense (sorry, I would, even if you wouldn't) but it seems to me that it's actually an honest and fair report. I thought he made some good points.
- post_break 10y agoIt blew me away since I read the whole thing and then got to the bottom to see who wrote it.
- toyg 10y agoAgree. It's a very honest post. TBH I often feel the same, from the other point of view: when did "being a leftist" started meaning "pitchforks on Twitter on the slimmest excuse"? But it did -- because, in the end, any group of humans, no matter how well-intentioned, will eventually encounter the same old problems with groupthink, enforcing rules and so on. Any group. So it's really nice to see the occasional individual going "hang on, we weren't supposed to do this!" and self-criticize a bit, show some real doubt. Even if it's fake (it might all be a play to score honesty points, who knows), it's still nice to see and I wish more people on all sides could do it more often.
- 010a 10y agoIts hilarious how this comment alone exemplifies exactly what he's talking about when he says that conservative voices are being marginalized in silicon valley. We need to make sure we brand the post with his name so us cushy liberals can be protected from these mean and different viewpoints, right?
- pigpaws 10y agoyes, but at the same time, Glen Beck represents the more 'religious' aspect of the far-right. That's the whole issue with the right (IMO) is that it was hijacked by the (Hypocritical) religious people, whereas there was almost NO ONE representing the right-center folks who are fiscally conservative, yet socially liberal/acceptable (live and let live). I already know who my state with vote for, which allows me to vote who I want to (Gary Johnson). The 2-party setup (debates, etc...) won't allow anyone in who doesn't identify to one extreme or the other.
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- LyndsySimon 10y ago> Glen[sic] Beck represents the more 'religious' aspect of the far-right The article linked is not based on a religious view. In fact, the only mention of religion is a comment intended to ridicule the comments of others at the table from the right who Beck implies are being morally inconsistent.
- robotnoises 10y agoI'm glad they didn't because my own bias likely would have caused me to skip it. I was pleasantly surprised by the blog post.
- noer 10y agoNo, please don't. I wouldn't have read it and despite him taking more than half of the length of the article to get to the point, I was really surprised at what he said.
- hellbanner 10y agoThis page contains a link in the first paragraphs that links to http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/05/19/what-disturbed-glenn-about-the-facebook-meeting/?utm_source=Medium&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=Medium-post20160519 http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/05/19/what-disturbed-glenn-abo... , which appears to have the same text.
- oarsinsync 10y agoYeah that's confused me too. I don't understand why, other than advertising, I suppose
- NOSHSHNACKERS 10y agoGlen Beck is Crab in the Cab crazy. He is a source of endless amusement. It gets bad because of the uncanny valley of "is he serious if he is not satire then.. I am I supposed to be feeling sorry for him.." depression sets in.
- okket 10y agoPrevious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11732166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11732166 (10 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11732430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11732430 (2 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11734973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11734973 (1 comment)
- elgabogringo 10y agoI'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it a rep as libertarian. It's focused on money and power at an international level and it's found the left worldwide as the most amenable to that path. Zuckerberg, Eric Schmidt, Benioff, Tim Cook... These are the narcissistic, self-righteous, power-obsessed business leaders from almost every dystopian novel or movie the last 100 years - and they are creating the very technology to give themselves real, orwellian, big-brother control, hand-in-hand with governments. I fear my future, my children's, and their grand-children.
- pj_mukh 10y agoWhat views do you find you can't express?
- user_0001 10y ago* Telling people who they can and cannot love * Telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies * Warmongering
- jgroszko 10y agoHe mentions Brendan Eich who was ousted from Mozilla for his anti-gay views. I have little sympathy for someone who feels marginalized by views they choose to hold and express when I, as a gay man, could be marginalized simply for who I am, something I did NOT choose. While most people may be able to just put their political opinions on the shelf, any time discussion turns towards family or after-work hobbies I have to make a conscious decision based on who I'm talking to and how it could affect the situation. I can be professional and work on a temporary basis with people who hold anti-gay views, and I'm not going to go out of my way to attack them. I don't know much about how Eich ran Mozilla, I couldn't say if he deserved what happened, but I know that I would not consider a job at a company with anti-gay leadership.
- wmeredith 10y agoI enjoyed this piece a lot. The introspection is real. Also, what the hell is the controversy at the core here? It was never linked referenced. What spawned the meeting?
- oarsinsync 10y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11726588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11726588
- FussyZeus 10y ago> "What happened to us?" The thing that drove me, a lifelong conservative, into the arms of Bernie Sanders; the Republican party (and the conservative group in particular) are so hard core on social issues that are to be blunt, disgusting (things like preventing homosexual marriage and abortion) and completely antithetical to the idea of "keeping government out of things." No I don't like everything the Left wants to do, but I also have no love left for the Bible thumping I'm-ignorant-and-proud-of-it crowd. I have too many homosexual friends who I know are good people. I have too many friends who had their contraception fail and aren't in any position to raise a child, recognize that, and want to wait to accept abortion. And more and more I'm realizing that the party of "leave us alone" wants the Government involved in way more things than the other one. I don't know when this happened, I don't know why, but if you want the explanation there it is. You guys bank harder and harder on ignorance and fear every year until now you've got a candidate like Trump, with practically no ideas and nothing to offer except new things to fear. I won't belong to the party of fear.
- pigpaws 10y agodid you just say that you want to keep 'government out of things', and then support Bernie Sanders?
- soylentcola 10y agoOr perhaps it's more a matter of "if the government/public sector is going to get involved in a lot of things, they may as well be ones I can get behind".
- twoodfin 10y agoWhile the question you wanted to answer is a great question to be asking in the era of Trump, that's not the question that Beck was asking. "What happened to us?" in this context was, "Why are supposedly conservative groups telling Facebook how to run their business, using many of the same tactics and arguments they've objected to when used by their ideological opponents?"
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- swehner 10y agoTo pretend or make out that you're some kind of marginalized group, that you're being ignored or exploited or taken advantage of or just not getting what you're supposed to be entitled to, and that you're afraid and worried and unhappy -- it sounds so lame and cheap, and in the end, boring. Never heared of this guy, but doesn't seem I missed anything.
- ryanx435 10y agoYou obviously live in an echo chamber so let me explain it to you; If you believe that every life is sacred and has intrinsic value simply for being alive, and believe that a fetus is a life at the moment of conception, than abortion is murder and no different than gunning someone down in the street. Therefore abortion should be illegal. This isn't even a religious argument. For your friends that had their contraception fail, adoption is always an option and it doesn't involve murder. "Bible thumping ignorant and proud"... I'm also betting that you are an athiest, have never made a serious attempt to understand the teachings of christ (which are way more liberal than anything you believe, and are the root of the 2 thousand year old movement towards real social justice). Get out of your bubble, you elitist lefty prick :)
- FussyZeus 10y ago> "If you believe that every life is sacred and has intrinsic value simply for being alive" Well first of all there are a whole lot of lives that are not sacred and should be ended as quickly as possible, but that's another discussion. No one is intrinsically valuable in my mind, not on a planet with 6+ billion people on it. No matter how special of a snowflake you think you might be we can probably replace you pretty easily. Secondly, while I support your theory, the reality is that most babies that would be aborted would be born into poverty, bad marriages, split couples, the offspring of rape/molestations, or the best case scenario: a parent that doesn't want them or likely doesn't feel they can support them. I fail to see what achievements lie ahead for that child other than making the same mistakes we've forced their mother to make. > "I'm also betting that you are an athiest" Born Lutheran, I'm not as active as my parents but I get around. I have some agnostic leanings but the existential terror of human beings being the things more or less "in charge" forces me to hope to whatever's out there that someone else has the wheel.
- kelukelugames 10y agoName calling followed by a smiley face is still name calling. Christians are the dominant majority in this country. Yet some of them won't shut up about being persecuted. I doubt they seriously follow the teachings of jesus christ.
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- zelias 10y agoI find this article a bit ironic, given that Glenn Beck spent years at Fox News stirring up the ornery attitudes that he denounces here.
- toyg 10y agoWell, his point is that he thought he was attacking people who wanted a special treatment in life, and now he found himself aligned with people who were doing that exact thing. It wasn't really about being aggressive per se. He's always been an ultraconservative nutjob and I don't see that changing, but it's refreshing to see someone showing he can see the problems with his own argument and can self-criticize a bit. Tomorrow we'll go back to our scheduled program of people shouting at each other, but can't we happy that today is a good day, for once? :)
- perseusprime11 10y agoCan you remind me again about 1984? What happened then?
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y agoReagan got re-elected.
- perseusprime11 10y agoWas that good or bad?
- dang 10y agoIf you're trolling, please don't.
- perseusprime11 10y agoI am trying to simply understand the true significance of 1984. Most online searches point me to George Orwell's book. I am definitely not trolling. Being young and born in the 80s it is hard to understand these kind of things.
- dang 10y agoYour best bet is to continue your online searches, as they are pointing you in the right direction.
- perseusprime11 10y ago:) I think it is the book but I have heard folks use it in a different context like the other guy who said Reagan.
- jorgecastillo 10y agoI hope you're joking!
- ryanx435 10y agoParent comment was never a conservitive or Republican, they are just a Bernie supporter lying about being a former conservative in an attmpt to make their argument carry more legitimacy.
- FussyZeus 10y agoWhy does that carry more legitimacy? And is it so hard to believe someone raised as a conservative could change their minds?
- mikestew 10y agoBoy, you're knocking it out of the park today with the insults and the psychic abilities telling you what other people think. Though it doesn't allow for as much snark, you might consider the idea that people can rethink their views.
- dang 10y agoPersonal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11738048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11738048 and marked it off-topic.
- kelukelugames 10y agoThrows a lot of shade. He is good at the "I don't enjoy feeling like a victim. Victims are bad. Here is a list of why we are victimized."
- swagv 10y agoIt's the "there's nothing more intolerant than an open-minded liberal" problem...