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Interesting. This makes me wonder about how many blog/forum posts in the Western world that are written by PR agencies. Not working for governments, of course,

Interesting. This makes me wonder about how many blog/forum posts in the Western world that are written by PR agencies. Not working for governments, of course, but for corporations and NGOs.

Kristine1975 10y ago
>Not working for governments, of course, Why not for governments?
- jensen123 10y ago
  In the Western world, there seem to be this prevalent ideal that the people should control the government and not the other way around. If a Western government hired people to influence politics like this, wouldn't there be a backlash?
  - Kristine1975 10y ago
    Where's the backlash against this: https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ Or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
    - sievebrain 10y ago
      There was a huge backlash caused by the Snowden revelations and JTRIG certainly got massive attention at the time. Unfortunately there's no obvious way to stop it because politicians appear to believe spy agencies should be unaccountable and above the law.
    - jensen123 10y ago
      > Where's the backlash against this: https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ So, some people at the GCHQ have discussed doing these things. However, is there any evidence that they've actually done a whole lot? > Or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara I don't really consider Isreal a Western country, but in any case, that is interesting.
ZoF 10y ago
>Not working for governments, of course Why? That's pretty naive.
- jensen123 10y ago
  Do you have any examples of Western governments doing this?
  - Kristine1975 10y ago
    US government as the CIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_mockingbird
  - soundwave106 10y ago
    There does appear to be a couple US examples within the Wikipedia article for astroturfing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing#Politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing#Politics
lisivka 10y ago
It depends on how much you are willing to pay. Russians buys whole TV channels.

Interesting. This makes me wonder about how many blog/forum posts in the Western world that are written by PR agencies. Not working for governments, of course, but for corporations and NGOs.

Kristine1975 10y ago

>Not working for governments, of course, Why not for governments?

jensen123 10y ago
In the Western world, there seem to be this prevalent ideal that the people should control the government and not the other way around. If a Western government hired people to influence politics like this, wouldn't there be a backlash?
- Kristine1975 10y ago
  Where's the backlash against this: https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ Or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
  - sievebrain 10y ago
    There was a huge backlash caused by the Snowden revelations and JTRIG certainly got massive attention at the time. Unfortunately there's no obvious way to stop it because politicians appear to believe spy agencies should be unaccountable and above the law.
  - jensen123 10y ago
    > Where's the backlash against this: https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ So, some people at the GCHQ have discussed doing these things. However, is there any evidence that they've actually done a whole lot? > Or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara I don't really consider Isreal a Western country, but in any case, that is interesting.

ZoF 10y ago

>Not working for governments, of course Why? That's pretty naive.

jensen123 10y ago
Do you have any examples of Western governments doing this?
- Kristine1975 10y ago
  US government as the CIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_mockingbird
- soundwave106 10y ago
  There does appear to be a couple US examples within the Wikipedia article for astroturfing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing#Politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing#Politics

lisivka 10y ago

It depends on how much you are willing to pay. Russians buys whole TV channels.