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The factor is availability- you need three of these workers for a around the clock shift. AI does not sleep.

infogulch 10y ago
Ok, so you have 3 employees working 24/7 for an average of a $20k salary (33% more than minimum wage). That's $60k/year or $120k over 24 months (based on Bartweiss' ROI estimation). Do you think it's possible to deliver an automated gas pump that services 4,800 trucks per day (~1 truck every 3 minutes) for $120k? I don't.
- napoleond 10y ago
  Eventually I think it could happen. It simply requires economies of scale--the hardware is not the expensive part of an automated gas pump.
  - Pica_soO 10y ago
    Yes, its the software. And the software needs data to have the machine learn, given this data, a machine designed for fitting niches, can squeeze itself into even unlikely corners.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  I don't think 3 humans can service 4800 trucks per day either. At least, not without more automation than existing pumps have.
- 746F7475 10y ago
  Except the employees are going to need breaks in between working and I'm going to just guess that manning a gas station in the middle of desert alone makes you insane pretty fast. So at least double that salary estimate if you truly want to keep things rolling with 1 truck every 3 minutes.
  - Bartweiss 10y ago
    I'm not so sure - presumably these are going to be highway truck stops/gas stations. You're not going to leave one guy there alone and shut everything down when he goes on break, you're going to add another 1-2 people to the daily shift at an existing gas station, and share the extra load across them. My numbers do break down in that one guy per shift probably can't fuel everything, so we might need to double it. (In states with locking pumps, he probably can, though.)
    - 746F7475 10y ago
      But again what if he needs to take a shit? I don't know about you, but I can't do my business and wipe well in less than 3 minutes, so the trucks stand there. Then there's the ~30min lunch break, that's 10 trucks just idling in the worst case scenario. Then just plain human interaction. It's not just a factor if he can possibly fill every truck by himself, there are other human factors to consider. You need at least two men manning the station all the time for the autonomous trucks to refill there + maybe a spare guy for regular folk who come to visit.
- bobdole1234 10y ago
  Not the first year, but the next pumps come with automated fueling as standard equipment, and we can write off the upgrades over the next few years for tax savings.
- vl 10y ago
  Track per 3 minutes is 480 tracks per day.

Ok, so you have 3 employees working 24/7 for an average of a $20k salary (33% more than minimum wage). That's $60k/year or $120k over 24 months (based on Bartweiss' ROI estimation). Do you think it's possible to deliver an automated gas pump that services 4,800 trucks per day (~1 truck every 3 minutes) for $120k? I don't.

napoleond 10y ago
Eventually I think it could happen. It simply requires economies of scale--the hardware is not the expensive part of an automated gas pump.
- Pica_soO 10y ago
  Yes, its the software. And the software needs data to have the machine learn, given this data, a machine designed for fitting niches, can squeeze itself into even unlikely corners.
maxerickson 10y ago
I don't think 3 humans can service 4800 trucks per day either. At least, not without more automation than existing pumps have.
746F7475 10y ago
Except the employees are going to need breaks in between working and I'm going to just guess that manning a gas station in the middle of desert alone makes you insane pretty fast. So at least double that salary estimate if you truly want to keep things rolling with 1 truck every 3 minutes.
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  I'm not so sure - presumably these are going to be highway truck stops/gas stations. You're not going to leave one guy there alone and shut everything down when he goes on break, you're going to add another 1-2 people to the daily shift at an existing gas station, and share the extra load across them. My numbers do break down in that one guy per shift probably can't fuel everything, so we might need to double it. (In states with locking pumps, he probably can, though.)
  - 746F7475 10y ago
    But again what if he needs to take a shit? I don't know about you, but I can't do my business and wipe well in less than 3 minutes, so the trucks stand there. Then there's the ~30min lunch break, that's 10 trucks just idling in the worst case scenario. Then just plain human interaction. It's not just a factor if he can possibly fill every truck by himself, there are other human factors to consider. You need at least two men manning the station all the time for the autonomous trucks to refill there + maybe a spare guy for regular folk who come to visit.
bobdole1234 10y ago
Not the first year, but the next pumps come with automated fueling as standard equipment, and we can write off the upgrades over the next few years for tax savings.
vl 10y ago
Track per 3 minutes is 480 tracks per day.