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Isn't not letting C students graduate a good thing?

• stdbrouw 10y ago
  Only the cream of the crop should get to graduate?
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• khalilravanna 10y ago
  I think the point was not so much whether it's good or bad but that by weeding out the possibility of a C student from being in the bootcamp pool to begin with, it means the success of bootcamp interview candidates will be higher than any given college student just because they're better/more skilled-- not because they did bootcamp over university. I.e. you're comparing apples to oranges because bootcamp-educated candidates might actually be a more skilled subset of the overall candidate pool.
• ball_of_lint 10y ago
  Depends on how rigorous the curriculum is. The problem here however, is that although colleges typically are overseen and expected to let c students graduate, bootcamps can set as high a standard as they want.
• yompers888 10y ago
  This probably depends on who you are. Like all organizations in higher learning, the boot camps serve two functions. The first, and what we'd probably like to think is the most important, is the value-adding function of education. The second is to serve as gatekeepers of their brand so that they maximize the marketability of their graduates, and thus encourage would-be applicants to come their way. Ideally you'd be able to offer such a stellar program that you have no one getting C's because they know all the material. In that case, yes, it's great that no one graduates with C's. And employers may not even care that the school is cruel and fast to shed students who are dragging. But for potential studenta, that situation is much worse. The school is much less valuable to students if they achieve their numbers by tough admissions and low retention, because then it's much less likely that the boot camp provides much in the way of education.
• syngrog66 10y ago
  When I first read your comment I thought you meant the language C. My reaction was, "Well we would likely reduce the rate at which security vulnerabilities are introduced in new code." Then I reread it. :-) (And I criticize C with love. I used it for years and recognize it as a product of its original purpose.)
  • beamatronic 10y ago
    C offers you all the power of assembly language with all the ease-of-use of assembly language.
    • losteric 10y ago
      No way, C is hard to use but it's WAY easier than writing x86 assembly.
• 2muchcoffeeman 10y ago
  Perhaps we should think of graduating as simply 'finishing' the curriculum. If you paid course fees and did the work, you should be able to walk out and say 'I am a C student at RoR' with a certificate. A company which hires through boot camps can ask for grades and choose to hire or not. A C level student with other skills may still be valuable because of other skills they have and employable for junior or non dev roles. Setting such a high bar pretty much just seems to be a way to manipulate data for marketing purposes.
  • gohrt 10y ago
    How does the company/school defend its brand against the C students sending out resumes that say "I am a student at RoR' with a certificate" and leaving out the grade part?
    • losteric 10y ago
      Same as universities... they don't. Companies generally ask recent grads to send their college transcript.
    • jacalata 10y ago
      They do a better job of teaching them, which is what they are implicitly promising by telling prospective students "all our graduates get six figure programming jobs". If the unspoken caveat is "but half of our entering students were kicked out when we realised they wouldn't get one" then that's a much weaker claim, more like "given five weeks of intensive tutoring we can identify candidates for good jobs".