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I'd suggest that a more accurate line would be "our culture dictates that if it's a man's problem, it gets fixed, if it's a woman's problem then nothing gets fi

by corin_ 10y ago

I'd suggest that a more accurate line would be "our culture dictates that if it's a man's problem, it gets fixed, if it's a woman's problem then nothing gets fixed unless enough noise is made about it, which leads to people like you listening to the noise and thinking women's problems are the ones the world cares about". Not that it's at all that black and white of course. But for you to somehow paint our world as sexist against men is... hmm.

reddytowns 10y ago
If women's problems are ignored, then who's making the noise? And who is broadcasting it across the news networks? Why is "Not enough women in tech jobs" a national story for months on end, and even the presidential candidates make it an issue, if our culture doesn't consider it everyone's problem. Why isn't that level of intensity of noise given to issues like men not going to university as much as women? Where are the men-only scholarships? Where are the university quotas for men? Why are only men drafted? Why are they almost always sent to the front lines to fight and die and women, if they decide to join the military, are given much safer support roles? Why are there more male suicides then women? Why are men almost exclusively put in jail for failing to pay child support even though there is a greater percentage of deadbeat moms than deadbeat dads. Who is supposedly "fixing men's problems"? The candidates don't care. The news doesn't care. The only one who can seem to do it is the man himself. I stand by my statement.
- james-watson 10y ago
  You are a brave soul to bring such facts into this conversation my friend. Many, many users on HN have been hellbanned for stating facts without any political bias. For example, it is very likely that I will get banned for this statement: "The Y chromosome in primates results in sexual dimorphism, which leads to differences in physiology and behavior between the sexes."
belorn 10y ago
I must bring up a study I recently read. A research team in Sweden wanted to test if there existed bias in who get declared criminal insane. They took a larger number of current working criminal psychiatrist and gave them a fake profile of a criminal. For half the participants, the otherwise identical profile had the name of the criminal be that of a typical male, and the other half got the profile with a typical female name. Everything else being equal, both group should have rated the profile as equally in/sane. The result was that the female version was 4 times more likely to be deemed criminal insane and thus not responsible for their action. This has real effect on justice, and its not getting fixed in any time soon. The culture just is that men who do bad things are evil, and women who do bad things are insane, and justice reflect the people who live in that culture. Or to bring an other example. In the duration of a single week there were two stories on Swedish national news. In the first one, a young women was put against her will in a mental institute, and had her arms and leg put into a cast in order to "prevent her from harming herself". The cause of this was a meeting with a psychiatrist where she had said "I don't know what I might do to myself", and the whole story was presented as an strong example of current overreaction by the psychiatric system towards women. The second story had a man go to the hospital telling the staff that he was hearing gods voice and it was telling him to kill his daughter in order to grant her eternal life. The staff sad that it sounded serious, but the psychiatry ward were full so he should return next week. He then went home and murdered his daughter with a knife. The hospital said in the article that maybe they should taken the situation a bit more serious. The problems that get fixed are only those that fit the current gender culture and gender identity. Men are all strong, has perfect health, and are wealthy, so biases from those assumptions are not getting fixed any time soon. Same is true for biases for women, in that the biases that people do care about is those that fit current gender culture and gender identity. Neither women or men is benefiting from this.

by corin_ 10y ago

reddytowns 10y ago

If women's problems are ignored, then who's making the noise? And who is broadcasting it across the news networks? Why is "Not enough women in tech jobs" a national story for months on end, and even the presidential candidates make it an issue, if our culture doesn't consider it everyone's problem. Why isn't that level of intensity of noise given to issues like men not going to university as much as women? Where are the men-only scholarships? Where are the university quotas for men? Why are only men drafted? Why are they almost always sent to the front lines to fight and die and women, if they decide to join the military, are given much safer support roles? Why are there more male suicides then women? Why are men almost exclusively put in jail for failing to pay child support even though there is a greater percentage of deadbeat moms than deadbeat dads. Who is supposedly "fixing men's problems"? The candidates don't care. The news doesn't care. The only one who can seem to do it is the man himself. I stand by my statement.

james-watson 10y ago
You are a brave soul to bring such facts into this conversation my friend. Many, many users on HN have been hellbanned for stating facts without any political bias. For example, it is very likely that I will get banned for this statement: "The Y chromosome in primates results in sexual dimorphism, which leads to differences in physiology and behavior between the sexes."

belorn 10y ago

I must bring up a study I recently read. A research team in Sweden wanted to test if there existed bias in who get declared criminal insane. They took a larger number of current working criminal psychiatrist and gave them a fake profile of a criminal. For half the participants, the otherwise identical profile had the name of the criminal be that of a typical male, and the other half got the profile with a typical female name. Everything else being equal, both group should have rated the profile as equally in/sane. The result was that the female version was 4 times more likely to be deemed criminal insane and thus not responsible for their action. This has real effect on justice, and its not getting fixed in any time soon. The culture just is that men who do bad things are evil, and women who do bad things are insane, and justice reflect the people who live in that culture. Or to bring an other example. In the duration of a single week there were two stories on Swedish national news. In the first one, a young women was put against her will in a mental institute, and had her arms and leg put into a cast in order to "prevent her from harming herself". The cause of this was a meeting with a psychiatrist where she had said "I don't know what I might do to myself", and the whole story was presented as an strong example of current overreaction by the psychiatric system towards women. The second story had a man go to the hospital telling the staff that he was hearing gods voice and it was telling him to kill his daughter in order to grant her eternal life. The staff sad that it sounded serious, but the psychiatry ward were full so he should return next week. He then went home and murdered his daughter with a knife. The hospital said in the article that maybe they should taken the situation a bit more serious. The problems that get fixed are only those that fit the current gender culture and gender identity. Men are all strong, has perfect health, and are wealthy, so biases from those assumptions are not getting fixed any time soon. Same is true for biases for women, in that the biases that people do care about is those that fit current gender culture and gender identity. Neither women or men is benefiting from this.