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I really wish more startups focused on ending loneliness. It has to be the worst problem afflicting advanced countries, but it's all but ignored for fancy hi-te

I really wish more startups focused on ending loneliness. It has to be the worst problem afflicting advanced countries, but it's all but ignored for fancy hi-tech stuff and anything that will make you're life slightly more convenient. I've started Krewe (https://www.gokrewe.com/get_started https://www.gokrewe.com/get_started) to help people make a group of friends in their neighborhood and build a strong local community, but I think there should be other companies who's focus is on fostering real personal interaction.

bksenior 10y ago
Indirectly the whole messaging and social media culture is built on this simple premise. There are a ton of companies doing it, just not how you would expect it. Note: I know it causes more lonliness
Terr_ 10y ago
Alas, it's much harder to sell something to people who are truly content. This means most self-help organizations are either non-profit, bankrupt, or foster customer-dependence on their line of products or advice or books etc.
sametmax 10y ago
Loneliness is not a technical problem, a startup will not solve anything. Evolving as a society will sove this, and for a society to evolve, its parts must evolve. So the first step to end loneliness is to work on yourself.
- baron816 10y ago
  Does every startup solve a technical problem?
- feelix 10y ago
  Recently I've found myself a bit lonely at times due to changing circumstances and a lack of being introduced to other people that would like some more friends. I have gone to a few meetups. Which is a technology based product. It has helped me meet people and end loneliness. This has nothing to do with the evolution of society, as you put it.
berntb 10y ago
Cool idea, but I doubt it will work. To end loneliness and build friendships, why not start with activities? Organize locals, but for low paid(/volunteer) help with cleaning/cooking/gardening/computer support/driving lessons/etc. For busy/ill/lazy people? Then, people can be introduced to each others. If they have some activity/interest to talk about, it is easier to socialize with different types of people. I sincerely believe that every adult person on the planet knows about things I would love to hear about. Be it fishing, farming, literature or house maintenance. (No, I'm not just trying to find good cleaning help. :-) )
gkya 10y ago
Local community is a culture that you develop for centuries. If you don't know the Joe from two houses away, you don't know the Joe from two houses away, period. I lived the last moments of the 'mahalle' culture in Istanbul, Turkey, held its hand while its cerebral activites stopped. Until a couple decades ago streets were full of kids and we didn't have any problem with it. Now we hardly let them out, we fear that they'll be kidnapped, fruited, etc., sometimes also realistically. How we came to this point? The 'mahalle', that is the neighbourhood, is a culture developed over time and is based on the trust you derive from generations of sharing the same cultural and social sphere. This was disrupted three times in the last century, first by hostility towards the non-Turkish induced by nationalism, and its results, second, by mass migration towards the City caused by industrialisation, and lastly and currently with the 'walled communities' (1) and occidentialisation of work life, i.e. rapidly changing occupations and moving houses often. I guess the case for most of the US is similar (i.e. people don't get to share the same neighbourhood for that long), and under these circumstances a healthy local community is impossible to form, even if all the start-up eyes were turned on the problem, because it has a hard dependency on multigenerational relationships, and time spent together. (1) a very interesting documentary by AlJazeera Turkey on this phenomenon exists.
return0 10y ago
I think it's not as easy as you think. People have grown to expect too much from each other, and are disappointed/disaffected more easily. A lot of social network technology exists exactly because we want to avoid directly confronting each other. Dating sites are easier, because attraction makes it easier. Making friends, not so much. E.g. HN has a generally nice community, but i bet most of us wouldn't get along with each other in real life. Then there is also the cult of individualistic freedom, which almost by definition means less interest in others. You have a great website there. I wonder, however, if proximity means anything nowadays. A long time ago, it used to be that neighbors were relatives, or part of the same tight knit cultural community. Nowadays people have scattered randomly, and almost the only common denominator between neighbors is their income bracket. I would like to see a startup going the opposite way , i.e. helping people who 'fit in' with each other to become real life neighbors.
- baron816 10y ago
  I think you'd actually be surprised how good mature adults are at getting along with others, especially when they're not immediate neighbors or have to work together (ie things that cause conflict). Individualism is definitely part of the problem that contributes to loneliness. We've been bombarded with propaganda since we were children about the virtues of independence and self-reliance. Living on your own and not needing other people has been romanticized. But humans are so much happier around people, so that culture definitely needs to change. I hope to make proximity mean something again. I don't think people need to be bound by anything to get along. Everyone has had a wealth of life experiences they can share. But their is something undeniably special about being able to walk around the neighborhood and come across people you're friends with. Or walk into a local pub on a whim and find a group of friends already there.
  - pixl97 10y ago
    > along with others, especially when they're not immediate neighbors or have to work together That doesn't really mean much. It's not that they do or don't get along, it's that no challenge presents itself to define if they get along or not. The ability to get along is defined by surviving that challenge. >I don't think people need to be bound by anything to get along. Then why does hardship or shared experience make more closely bound couples? > Everyone has had a wealth of life experiences they can share. But only a few of those are actually interesting. When you go down to a club, even though there are a lot of people there, statistically you'll only talk to a few. Technology, in it's ability to erase communication distance, brings you closer to many more interesting people even though you don't see them.
magicbeanss 10y ago
Does your startup account for age/interests/education of its participants? I can't imagine a 21-year old Marketing Intern and retired 70 year old would form strong bonds.

bksenior 10y ago

Indirectly the whole messaging and social media culture is built on this simple premise. There are a ton of companies doing it, just not how you would expect it. Note: I know it causes more lonliness

Terr_ 10y ago

Alas, it's much harder to sell something to people who are truly content. This means most self-help organizations are either non-profit, bankrupt, or foster customer-dependence on their line of products or advice or books etc.

sametmax 10y ago

Loneliness is not a technical problem, a startup will not solve anything. Evolving as a society will sove this, and for a society to evolve, its parts must evolve. So the first step to end loneliness is to work on yourself.

baron816 10y ago
Does every startup solve a technical problem?
feelix 10y ago
Recently I've found myself a bit lonely at times due to changing circumstances and a lack of being introduced to other people that would like some more friends. I have gone to a few meetups. Which is a technology based product. It has helped me meet people and end loneliness. This has nothing to do with the evolution of society, as you put it.

berntb 10y ago

Cool idea, but I doubt it will work. To end loneliness and build friendships, why not start with activities? Organize locals, but for low paid(/volunteer) help with cleaning/cooking/gardening/computer support/driving lessons/etc. For busy/ill/lazy people? Then, people can be introduced to each others. If they have some activity/interest to talk about, it is easier to socialize with different types of people. I sincerely believe that every adult person on the planet knows about things I would love to hear about. Be it fishing, farming, literature or house maintenance. (No, I'm not just trying to find good cleaning help. :-) )

gkya 10y ago

Local community is a culture that you develop for centuries. If you don't know the Joe from two houses away, you don't know the Joe from two houses away, period. I lived the last moments of the 'mahalle' culture in Istanbul, Turkey, held its hand while its cerebral activites stopped. Until a couple decades ago streets were full of kids and we didn't have any problem with it. Now we hardly let them out, we fear that they'll be kidnapped, fruited, etc., sometimes also realistically. How we came to this point? The 'mahalle', that is the neighbourhood, is a culture developed over time and is based on the trust you derive from generations of sharing the same cultural and social sphere. This was disrupted three times in the last century, first by hostility towards the non-Turkish induced by nationalism, and its results, second, by mass migration towards the City caused by industrialisation, and lastly and currently with the 'walled communities' (1) and occidentialisation of work life, i.e. rapidly changing occupations and moving houses often. I guess the case for most of the US is similar (i.e. people don't get to share the same neighbourhood for that long), and under these circumstances a healthy local community is impossible to form, even if all the start-up eyes were turned on the problem, because it has a hard dependency on multigenerational relationships, and time spent together. (1) a very interesting documentary by AlJazeera Turkey on this phenomenon exists.

return0 10y ago

I think it's not as easy as you think. People have grown to expect too much from each other, and are disappointed/disaffected more easily. A lot of social network technology exists exactly because we want to avoid directly confronting each other. Dating sites are easier, because attraction makes it easier. Making friends, not so much. E.g. HN has a generally nice community, but i bet most of us wouldn't get along with each other in real life. Then there is also the cult of individualistic freedom, which almost by definition means less interest in others. You have a great website there. I wonder, however, if proximity means anything nowadays. A long time ago, it used to be that neighbors were relatives, or part of the same tight knit cultural community. Nowadays people have scattered randomly, and almost the only common denominator between neighbors is their income bracket. I would like to see a startup going the opposite way , i.e. helping people who 'fit in' with each other to become real life neighbors.

baron816 10y ago
I think you'd actually be surprised how good mature adults are at getting along with others, especially when they're not immediate neighbors or have to work together (ie things that cause conflict). Individualism is definitely part of the problem that contributes to loneliness. We've been bombarded with propaganda since we were children about the virtues of independence and self-reliance. Living on your own and not needing other people has been romanticized. But humans are so much happier around people, so that culture definitely needs to change. I hope to make proximity mean something again. I don't think people need to be bound by anything to get along. Everyone has had a wealth of life experiences they can share. But their is something undeniably special about being able to walk around the neighborhood and come across people you're friends with. Or walk into a local pub on a whim and find a group of friends already there.
- pixl97 10y ago
  > along with others, especially when they're not immediate neighbors or have to work together That doesn't really mean much. It's not that they do or don't get along, it's that no challenge presents itself to define if they get along or not. The ability to get along is defined by surviving that challenge. >I don't think people need to be bound by anything to get along. Then why does hardship or shared experience make more closely bound couples? > Everyone has had a wealth of life experiences they can share. But only a few of those are actually interesting. When you go down to a club, even though there are a lot of people there, statistically you'll only talk to a few. Technology, in it's ability to erase communication distance, brings you closer to many more interesting people even though you don't see them.

magicbeanss 10y ago

Does your startup account for age/interests/education of its participants? I can't imagine a 21-year old Marketing Intern and retired 70 year old would form strong bonds.