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> subsidiary of Chinese manufacturer Foxconn Foxconn is Taiwanese

by fungi 10y ago

jpatokal 10y ago
Taiwan is Chinese -- just not necessarily People's-Republic-of-Chinese.
- deleted 10y ago
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- kyllo 10y ago
  That really depends what you mean by Chinese. It's an issue in Taiwanese identity politics and electoral politics. Taiwan is officially the Republic of China, but that name is a legacy of World War II. Taiwan has many citizens who speak Mandarin or various dialects of Chinese; many of them consider themselves Chinese, but also many do not. There are Taiwanese whose ancestors moved there from China as early as the 1600s. Besides, they also have a sizeable population of aboriginal people with totally non-Chinese cultural practices and who speak a language that isn't even loosely related to Chinese. And meanwhile, the country has been in a sort of cold war with the PRC since the late 1940s, and was a Japanese colony for the 50 years prior to that. The last government to have military control over all of Mainland China and Taiwan (plus Mongolia) was the Qing Dynasty. Saying that "Taiwan is Chinese" is basically true in an imprecise way, but once you drill down into the details a little, it gets complicated.
  - rangibaby 10y ago
    > Taiwan is officially the Republic of China, but that name is a legacy of World War II ROC held the China UN seat until 1971, and the first multi-party elections were held in 1986. KMT still considers ROC to include all Chinese territory. > Taiwan has many citizens who speak Mandarin or various dialects of Chinese; many of them consider themselves Chinese, but also many do not. There are Taiwanese whose ancestors moved there from China as early as the 1600s. Besides, they also have a sizeable population of aboriginal people with totally non-Chinese cultural practices and who speak a language that isn't even loosely related to Chinese. You're confusing nationality with ethnicity. PRC has many non-Han minorities too, but their nationality is Chinese. > And meanwhile, the country has been in a sort of cold war with the PRC since the late 1940s, and was a Japanese colony for the 50 years prior to that. The last government to have military control over all of Mainland China and Taiwan (plus Mongolia) was the Qing Dynasty. PRC and ROC claim all of the territory as "China", whether they historically controlled it or not.
    - kyllo 10y ago
      What definition of nationality are you working with? Wikipedia defines it as "the legal relationship between a person and a state." I'm not confusing anything, I know the difference between nationality and ethnicity (and language). The non-Han people in the PRC are of Chinese nationality because they are residents of territory that is under the PRC's political and military control. That statement is not true for the people of Taiwan. They have their own government, and many people including elected officials in that government want to remove the word China from the country's official name. So are Taiwanese people of Chinese nationality? No. Chinese ethnicity? A slight majority. Chinese speaking? A larger majority. So again it depends what you mean by "Chinese." The rest of the facts you're stating are true on paper only--they are political fictions perpetuated by the cold war.
      - rangibaby 10y ago
        Both PRC and ROC consider themselves the real China (hence Chinese), which was my point.
        ptaipale 10y ago
        And, somewhat surprisingly for many Westerners, in the PRC mindset it is very bad if ROC ceases to claim all of China, because that would mean that it has become secessionist, i.e. there would be more than one China. So far they have agreed on one thing, "there is only one China and we're the legal government", and just disagreed on who's "we". PRC has naturally a much stronger claim to that since it controls a vast majority of China. But in 1970's, PRC was deep in radical socialist experiments and the aftermath of the Cultural Revolution, and the economy was weak, while ROC had opened up to world trade (I remember all those Taiwanese Apple and PC clones of early 1980's). It looked like ROC will actually be the more significant economy, even if it has much smaller population. Then PRC changed its course.
- twblalock 10y ago
  Way to split hairs. There is a major difference, and you know it.
boznz 10y ago
Political boundaries are so yesterday.. Foxconn is wherever they decide to move their head office
- swang 10y ago
  So... Taiwan?
nikatwork 10y ago
China claims sovereignty over Taiwan. Some publications toe the party line.
- latch 10y ago
  That's unfair to Techcrunch. Most countries have accepted China's claim for a while now.
  - rangibaby 10y ago
    Source?
    - realityking 10y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#Entities_with_full_diplomatic_relations_with_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#En...

> subsidiary of Chinese manufacturer Foxconn Foxconn is Taiwanese

by fungi 10y ago

> subsidiary of Chinese manufacturer Foxconn Foxconn is Taiwanese

jpatokal 10y ago

Taiwan is Chinese -- just not necessarily People's-Republic-of-Chinese.

deleted 10y ago
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kyllo 10y ago
That really depends what you mean by Chinese. It's an issue in Taiwanese identity politics and electoral politics. Taiwan is officially the Republic of China, but that name is a legacy of World War II. Taiwan has many citizens who speak Mandarin or various dialects of Chinese; many of them consider themselves Chinese, but also many do not. There are Taiwanese whose ancestors moved there from China as early as the 1600s. Besides, they also have a sizeable population of aboriginal people with totally non-Chinese cultural practices and who speak a language that isn't even loosely related to Chinese. And meanwhile, the country has been in a sort of cold war with the PRC since the late 1940s, and was a Japanese colony for the 50 years prior to that. The last government to have military control over all of Mainland China and Taiwan (plus Mongolia) was the Qing Dynasty. Saying that "Taiwan is Chinese" is basically true in an imprecise way, but once you drill down into the details a little, it gets complicated.
- rangibaby 10y ago
  > Taiwan is officially the Republic of China, but that name is a legacy of World War II ROC held the China UN seat until 1971, and the first multi-party elections were held in 1986. KMT still considers ROC to include all Chinese territory. > Taiwan has many citizens who speak Mandarin or various dialects of Chinese; many of them consider themselves Chinese, but also many do not. There are Taiwanese whose ancestors moved there from China as early as the 1600s. Besides, they also have a sizeable population of aboriginal people with totally non-Chinese cultural practices and who speak a language that isn't even loosely related to Chinese. You're confusing nationality with ethnicity. PRC has many non-Han minorities too, but their nationality is Chinese. > And meanwhile, the country has been in a sort of cold war with the PRC since the late 1940s, and was a Japanese colony for the 50 years prior to that. The last government to have military control over all of Mainland China and Taiwan (plus Mongolia) was the Qing Dynasty. PRC and ROC claim all of the territory as "China", whether they historically controlled it or not.
  - kyllo 10y ago
    What definition of nationality are you working with? Wikipedia defines it as "the legal relationship between a person and a state." I'm not confusing anything, I know the difference between nationality and ethnicity (and language). The non-Han people in the PRC are of Chinese nationality because they are residents of territory that is under the PRC's political and military control. That statement is not true for the people of Taiwan. They have their own government, and many people including elected officials in that government want to remove the word China from the country's official name. So are Taiwanese people of Chinese nationality? No. Chinese ethnicity? A slight majority. Chinese speaking? A larger majority. So again it depends what you mean by "Chinese." The rest of the facts you're stating are true on paper only--they are political fictions perpetuated by the cold war.
    - rangibaby 10y ago
      Both PRC and ROC consider themselves the real China (hence Chinese), which was my point.
      - ptaipale 10y ago
        And, somewhat surprisingly for many Westerners, in the PRC mindset it is very bad if ROC ceases to claim all of China, because that would mean that it has become secessionist, i.e. there would be more than one China. So far they have agreed on one thing, "there is only one China and we're the legal government", and just disagreed on who's "we". PRC has naturally a much stronger claim to that since it controls a vast majority of China. But in 1970's, PRC was deep in radical socialist experiments and the aftermath of the Cultural Revolution, and the economy was weak, while ROC had opened up to world trade (I remember all those Taiwanese Apple and PC clones of early 1980's). It looked like ROC will actually be the more significant economy, even if it has much smaller population. Then PRC changed its course.
twblalock 10y ago
Way to split hairs. There is a major difference, and you know it.

boznz 10y ago

Political boundaries are so yesterday.. Foxconn is wherever they decide to move their head office

swang 10y ago
So... Taiwan?

nikatwork 10y ago

China claims sovereignty over Taiwan. Some publications toe the party line.

latch 10y ago
That's unfair to Techcrunch. Most countries have accepted China's claim for a while now.
- rangibaby 10y ago
  Source?
  - realityking 10y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#Entities_with_full_diplomatic_relations_with_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#En...