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By contrast, books (for example) are awesome. I pay for a book, and then I read the book start-to-finish with no ads Thats the issue, you paid money for the bo

by Malcx 17y ago

By contrast, books (for example) are awesome. I pay for a book, and then I read the book start-to-finish with no ads Thats the issue, you paid money for the book, it's the business model the author used to make writing the book worthwhile. Historically the Internet doesn't seem to support content producers this way.

Tichy 17y ago
Then remind me again, why don't the advertising sites just block people with ad blockers?
- jimmyjim 17y ago
  You know, amidst the ad-block debate today, I actually see an opportunity ripe for a start-up. A system that lets willing participants opt out of ad-viewship for direct micropayments. Wait a second, I think what I'm describing is close to the new 'Flattr' -- but still not quite it. Let the users choose between micropayments or ad-viewership.
  - Groxx 17y ago
    I'd love micropayments. The problem currently is that there's no good way to do them, as there are no microtransactions that aren't just paying into the transaction-manager's pockets. * looks at flattr * will have to poke into that. edit: why not a combination? Micro-pay at a minimum value (say a couple cents) to get no ads. Click more than once to add more payment % to that site.
  - huhtenberg 17y ago
    Contenture tried just that and they couldn't pull it off. http://searchyc.com/contenture http://searchyc.com/contenture
- vl 17y ago
  Some of the sites already do that.
  - Tichy 17y ago
    Strangely, I haven't noticed. I guess they won't be missed. I saw a few of these sites back then when the discussion flared up the first time, but haven't seen any since.
- Groxx 17y ago
  Ars just did this, apparently. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1171927 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1171927 Some people whitelisted, some subscribed, some boycotted. Besides, at best, you can only make it hard to hide ads / content. If data is transferred, data can be manipulated, and data can be ignored. I'd suppose the end-state of adblockers is something that does a rendered-page analysis to detect content, rather than looking at code / origin of info.
  - Tichy 17y ago
    Personally I would feel differently about circumventing their block than about blocking ads. If they want to block me, I would accept it. Maybe there would always be people who "steal", but are they really so many that it would hurt?
    - doron 17y ago
      I would consider subscribing to Ars technica if the offer me an ad free experience as well as their pdf formatting etc...
      - greghines 17y ago
        That's exactly what you get when you subscribe to Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/subscriptions/ http://arstechnica.com/subscriptions/ You also get full-text RSS feeds and the occasional bit of content exclusive to subscribers, as well as some other (less noteworthy) perks. (Disclosure: I'm under contract with Ars Technica, working on a projected unrelated to any of this.)
        doron 17y ago
        This seems to imply that ads are not served only on the forums. i don't care about the forums. or rather, i want an ad free option on the entire content of the site, not a segment.
        17y ago

by Malcx 17y ago

Tichy 17y ago

Then remind me again, why don't the advertising sites just block people with ad blockers?

jimmyjim 17y ago
You know, amidst the ad-block debate today, I actually see an opportunity ripe for a start-up. A system that lets willing participants opt out of ad-viewship for direct micropayments. Wait a second, I think what I'm describing is close to the new 'Flattr' -- but still not quite it. Let the users choose between micropayments or ad-viewership.
- Groxx 17y ago
  I'd love micropayments. The problem currently is that there's no good way to do them, as there are no microtransactions that aren't just paying into the transaction-manager's pockets. * looks at flattr * will have to poke into that. edit: why not a combination? Micro-pay at a minimum value (say a couple cents) to get no ads. Click more than once to add more payment % to that site.
- huhtenberg 17y ago
  Contenture tried just that and they couldn't pull it off. http://searchyc.com/contenture http://searchyc.com/contenture
vl 17y ago
Some of the sites already do that.
- Tichy 17y ago
  Strangely, I haven't noticed. I guess they won't be missed. I saw a few of these sites back then when the discussion flared up the first time, but haven't seen any since.
Groxx 17y ago
Ars just did this, apparently. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1171927 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1171927 Some people whitelisted, some subscribed, some boycotted. Besides, at best, you can only make it hard to hide ads / content. If data is transferred, data can be manipulated, and data can be ignored. I'd suppose the end-state of adblockers is something that does a rendered-page analysis to detect content, rather than looking at code / origin of info.
- Tichy 17y ago
  Personally I would feel differently about circumventing their block than about blocking ads. If they want to block me, I would accept it. Maybe there would always be people who "steal", but are they really so many that it would hurt?
  - doron 17y ago
    I would consider subscribing to Ars technica if the offer me an ad free experience as well as their pdf formatting etc...
    - greghines 17y ago
      That's exactly what you get when you subscribe to Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/subscriptions/ http://arstechnica.com/subscriptions/ You also get full-text RSS feeds and the occasional bit of content exclusive to subscribers, as well as some other (less noteworthy) perks. (Disclosure: I'm under contract with Ars Technica, working on a projected unrelated to any of this.)
      - doron 17y ago
        This seems to imply that ads are not served only on the forums. i don't care about the forums. or rather, i want an ad free option on the entire content of the site, not a segment.
        17y ago