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Pre modern medical times, like before the 1930's or so, something like 1 in 10 women died in child birth.

stcredzero 10y ago
I've heard the same statistic. I wonder where it comes from. Also, the overall chance of pregnancy with unprotected sex involving a man and a woman of childbearing age is 1 in 4. So, would you engage in such sex knowing that there was a 1 in 40 chance it would lead directly to your own death? (Or your partners? Bees be Krayton!) I wonder if that's where some of our cognitive biases around risk come from? It benefits our genes that we're cavalier about certain kinds of risk.
- JshWright 10y ago
  I don't know that the numbers in this thread have any basis in reality, but even if they did... sex is fun?
- MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
  The first number you give is wildly inaccurate. It rises to about 35% in the +/-1 day window around ovulation, with lower probability during a wider weeklong window, and very near 0 for the rest of the menstrual cycle. I'm fairly sure the actual compounded odds of conception from procreative sex at a random point in the woman's cycle is much closer to 1 in 1000. Also unprotected sex does not necessarily equal procreative sex, which I realize is a somewhat controversial statement, but nonetheless true.
  - hackbinary 10y ago
    Really? Controversial, yes. Do you have any science to back that up?
    - MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
      It's really a matter of semantics, not science. Either party could be incapable of providing the needed input. But also yes, to address the controversiality, the withdrawal method, used perfectly, is a 96% effective [0] contraceptive method vs. 98% for condoms used perfectly [1]. Obviously the prerequisites for perfect use are different and YMMV. [0] https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/withdr... (there's no fragment, it's under the effectiveness section of the accordion) [1] https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom/how-effective-are-condoms https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom...
  - stcredzero 10y ago
    The first number you give is wildly inaccurate. I knew that when I posted it. When I posted it, I thought I had clearly indicated it, but looking at it again, that must have been forgotten before it could be enacted. My intention was to play with the two wildly inaccurate figures together.
- hackbinary 10y ago
  Between in 1 in 7 and 1 in 8 in countries where women do not have any real access to modern healthcare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death 1 in 20 (~50 in 1000) in the UK until 1940/1950. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1633559/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1633559/ and lots of interesting reading here: https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=history%20of%20death%20in%20childbirth https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1...

I've heard the same statistic. I wonder where it comes from. Also, the overall chance of pregnancy with unprotected sex involving a man and a woman of childbearing age is 1 in 4. So, would you engage in such sex knowing that there was a 1 in 40 chance it would lead directly to your own death? (Or your partners? Bees be Krayton!) I wonder if that's where some of our cognitive biases around risk come from? It benefits our genes that we're cavalier about certain kinds of risk.

JshWright 10y ago
I don't know that the numbers in this thread have any basis in reality, but even if they did... sex is fun?
MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
The first number you give is wildly inaccurate. It rises to about 35% in the +/-1 day window around ovulation, with lower probability during a wider weeklong window, and very near 0 for the rest of the menstrual cycle. I'm fairly sure the actual compounded odds of conception from procreative sex at a random point in the woman's cycle is much closer to 1 in 1000. Also unprotected sex does not necessarily equal procreative sex, which I realize is a somewhat controversial statement, but nonetheless true.
- hackbinary 10y ago
  Really? Controversial, yes. Do you have any science to back that up?
  - MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
    It's really a matter of semantics, not science. Either party could be incapable of providing the needed input. But also yes, to address the controversiality, the withdrawal method, used perfectly, is a 96% effective [0] contraceptive method vs. 98% for condoms used perfectly [1]. Obviously the prerequisites for perfect use are different and YMMV. [0] https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/withdr... (there's no fragment, it's under the effectiveness section of the accordion) [1] https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom/how-effective-are-condoms https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom...
- stcredzero 10y ago
  The first number you give is wildly inaccurate. I knew that when I posted it. When I posted it, I thought I had clearly indicated it, but looking at it again, that must have been forgotten before it could be enacted. My intention was to play with the two wildly inaccurate figures together.
hackbinary 10y ago
Between in 1 in 7 and 1 in 8 in countries where women do not have any real access to modern healthcare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death 1 in 20 (~50 in 1000) in the UK until 1940/1950. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1633559/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1633559/ and lots of interesting reading here: https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=history%20of%20death%20in%20childbirth https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1...