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For those who ignore all ads anyways though, using an ad-block simply takes away some distractions and let's both you and the ad-server use less bandwidth. For

by ehsanul 17y ago

For those who ignore all ads anyways though, using an ad-block simply takes away some distractions and let's both you and the ad-server use less bandwidth. For people who are immune to advertising anyways, I see no harm to the content producers and advertisers.

rewind 17y ago
If content producers are being paid by views, then you're decreasing their revenue.
- ehsanul 17y ago
  However, by selling views to a person like me who doesn't help advertisers at all, CPM eventually goes down. So that argument doesn't really hold water. You want views to go to people who are influenced by the ads, otherwise it's just a waste.
  - houseabsolute 17y ago
    Except for advertisers that are doing brand advertising, or any number of other edge cases.
houseabsolute 17y ago
You don't actually know yourself to be immune to advertising, though, nor can you. If it were possible for someone to know themselves to be perfectly immune to advertising, you might be right. But that, like knowledge of your courage in the face of death or your absolute quality as a lover, is beyond your ken. Your argument is like the defense of a man who steals an unpopular toy from the shelf, reasoning from his knowledge of the sales of previous unpopular toys that some will surely be returned to the manufacturer and eventually discarded. Yet his action is still unethical because he doesn't truly know to the degree of certainty the moral test demands.
- krainboltgreene 17y ago
  Bwahahaha. adblock = stealing That's awesome. Wow. Alright, from now on I'm not going to install an adblock, you've convinced me. ... Except I haven't clicked on an ad in 9 years anyways. Shit, I guess I'm just a perpetual thief.
  - houseabsolute 17y ago
    > adblock = stealing I don't see where I said that. Also, it's not my position that you are obligated to click on ads. Trying to make it seem like I claimed that is uncharitable and I'd appreciate it if you stopped.
    - krainboltgreene 17y ago
      Your argument is like the defense of a man who steals an unpopular toy from the shelf Yeah, you did try to say that. With an analogy.
      - mst 17y ago
        No, he didn't. He used an analogy that involved theft to illustrate a moral point about the potential versus actual results of actions and the conclusions we can draw from them. Apparently this was too subtle - and I'll admit I had to stop and think for a moment, so perhaps the analogy was confusing/unclear - but I'm fairly sure that the intent was the moral point, not comparing loss-of-revenue-via-non-shown-page-views directly to loss-of-revenue-due-to-theft-of-physical-product.
      - houseabsolute 17y ago
        If you'll read carefully, the analogy was on the argument, not the person nor the action.
  - axod 17y ago
    >> "Except I haven't clicked on an ad in 9 years anyways." This is the thing I find funny in these sorts of debates. Of course you've clicked on ads. You click on them every day. You just don't realize they're ads. Sure, they might not be big flashy image 468x60 banner ads, but you click on links every day. Some of those are paid. They're ads. If you think you don't click on any paid advertising, you're extremely naive.

by ehsanul 17y ago

rewind 17y ago

If content producers are being paid by views, then you're decreasing their revenue.

ehsanul 17y ago
However, by selling views to a person like me who doesn't help advertisers at all, CPM eventually goes down. So that argument doesn't really hold water. You want views to go to people who are influenced by the ads, otherwise it's just a waste.
- houseabsolute 17y ago
  Except for advertisers that are doing brand advertising, or any number of other edge cases.

houseabsolute 17y ago

You don't actually know yourself to be immune to advertising, though, nor can you. If it were possible for someone to know themselves to be perfectly immune to advertising, you might be right. But that, like knowledge of your courage in the face of death or your absolute quality as a lover, is beyond your ken. Your argument is like the defense of a man who steals an unpopular toy from the shelf, reasoning from his knowledge of the sales of previous unpopular toys that some will surely be returned to the manufacturer and eventually discarded. Yet his action is still unethical because he doesn't truly know to the degree of certainty the moral test demands.

krainboltgreene 17y ago
Bwahahaha. adblock = stealing That's awesome. Wow. Alright, from now on I'm not going to install an adblock, you've convinced me. ... Except I haven't clicked on an ad in 9 years anyways. Shit, I guess I'm just a perpetual thief.
- houseabsolute 17y ago
  > adblock = stealing I don't see where I said that. Also, it's not my position that you are obligated to click on ads. Trying to make it seem like I claimed that is uncharitable and I'd appreciate it if you stopped.
  - krainboltgreene 17y ago
    Your argument is like the defense of a man who steals an unpopular toy from the shelf Yeah, you did try to say that. With an analogy.
    - mst 17y ago
      No, he didn't. He used an analogy that involved theft to illustrate a moral point about the potential versus actual results of actions and the conclusions we can draw from them. Apparently this was too subtle - and I'll admit I had to stop and think for a moment, so perhaps the analogy was confusing/unclear - but I'm fairly sure that the intent was the moral point, not comparing loss-of-revenue-via-non-shown-page-views directly to loss-of-revenue-due-to-theft-of-physical-product.
    - houseabsolute 17y ago
      If you'll read carefully, the analogy was on the argument, not the person nor the action.
- axod 17y ago
  >> "Except I haven't clicked on an ad in 9 years anyways." This is the thing I find funny in these sorts of debates. Of course you've clicked on ads. You click on them every day. You just don't realize they're ads. Sure, they might not be big flashy image 468x60 banner ads, but you click on links every day. Some of those are paid. They're ads. If you think you don't click on any paid advertising, you're extremely naive.