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In my personal experience what slows it all down the most is the actual people flying. Every time I fly I see countless people wearing tons of metal/jewelry/bel

In my personal experience what slows it all down the most is the actual people flying. Every time I fly I see countless people wearing tons of metal/jewelry/belts/whatever that they have to take off, often not till they are told to do so, the laptap is tucked far away until last moment. They still carry all sorts of lotions and liquids on for some unknown reason. When they then exit the scan they clog up the line by standing right there trying to put everything back on or away.

logfromblammo 10y ago
Don't blame the victims. You might as well say it's their fault because they didn't memorize the Gettysburg Address prior to arriving at the airport. What does reciting the Gettysburg Address have to do with airline security? About as much as making someone take out their nose and navel rings in the security line, and confiscating their hand lotion.
- Mendenhall 10y ago
  Oh I think the TSA is in inefficient and somewhat laughable, but I don't consider someone a victim who is not prepared to get on a plane and wastes everyone time. I consider that just rude. If someone gets their lotion confiscated, I consider them part of the problem that slows everyone down. Edit to include I also think the TSA is making things slower on "purpose" but that's a whole other topic.
  - logfromblammo 10y ago
    Prepared to get on a plane is, in my view, to be dressed appropriately for a public venue, carrying an appropriate size and quantity of hand-carried baggage, with a paid ticket, complete travel itinerary, and valid airline boarding pass. It is not the traveler's concern whether the TSA finds it more burdensome to screen someone wearing polished, straight-laced oxfords than someone wearing slipshod flip-flops. The traveler is not wasting anybody's time. The TSA that cannot process an unprepared, ignorant, yet cooperative traveler as quickly or as easily as a million-mile air travel expert is actually the party wasting everybody's time. Imagine for a moment that someone sets out to intentionally slow down the screening queue. Whose fault is it if he is easily able to do so? The people that established the operating procedures for the screening are responsible. On a highway, the slow car is passed, using a different lane. On a computer, the processor hog may be interrupted so that other processes and threads may still execute. Unfortunately, as you suspect, the TSA has a motive for keeping the lines slow. Slow lines may lead to bigger budgets, as they complain about being "resource constrained". Perhaps you are making it more convenient for yourself by transferring your irritation to those who are not able to retaliate against your visible annoyance, by abusing their authority to perform additional unnecessary screenings the instant you reach the head of the queue? Stop blaming the victims!
    - Mendenhall 10y ago
      Both are responsible because they both took actions that caused delays,and I was not speaking of any bias the TSA have when taking people out of line etc and doing things also that may increase lag. I have no irritation with passengers wasting everyones time in line, I expect many people to be inconsiderate of others, that is human nature. I also note how many pass the blame onto others instead of realizing there are things they can do to help their fellow passengers, but they don't, to me it says a lot about that person. I place blame of the slowdown on anything that causes the slowdown, including inconsiderate people and inept TSA policy and people.
mindslight 10y ago
> When they then exit the scan they clog up the line by standing right there trying to put everything back on or away Um, excuse me? If I've just been made to disassemble my person and be less secure, you can damn well bet I am going to take my time reassembling myself and making sure I have everything back in its rightful place before proceeding. I'd recommend everybody do the same, even if that means holding your ground if the goons start trying to assault you into moving forward.
- Mendenhall 10y ago
  Why would someone bring things they would have to disassemble then reassemble? (medical condition etc aside), when they know they are going to have to fly ? that is inconsiderate IMO To each there own, I just know they are part of the problem.
  - mindslight 10y ago
    Because people like wearing shoes, having entertainment on the plane, and carrying valuables that would be unwise to check?
  - chrismcb 10y ago
    You are supposed to take your liquids out, your laptop out. Remove your coat, your belt, your shoes. I don't do much of that, yet I still need to collect my belongings and my shoes... You know "reassemble yourself" OP didn't mean take apart and rebuild something

logfromblammo 10y ago

Don't blame the victims. You might as well say it's their fault because they didn't memorize the Gettysburg Address prior to arriving at the airport. What does reciting the Gettysburg Address have to do with airline security? About as much as making someone take out their nose and navel rings in the security line, and confiscating their hand lotion.

Mendenhall 10y ago
Oh I think the TSA is in inefficient and somewhat laughable, but I don't consider someone a victim who is not prepared to get on a plane and wastes everyone time. I consider that just rude. If someone gets their lotion confiscated, I consider them part of the problem that slows everyone down. Edit to include I also think the TSA is making things slower on "purpose" but that's a whole other topic.
- logfromblammo 10y ago
  Prepared to get on a plane is, in my view, to be dressed appropriately for a public venue, carrying an appropriate size and quantity of hand-carried baggage, with a paid ticket, complete travel itinerary, and valid airline boarding pass. It is not the traveler's concern whether the TSA finds it more burdensome to screen someone wearing polished, straight-laced oxfords than someone wearing slipshod flip-flops. The traveler is not wasting anybody's time. The TSA that cannot process an unprepared, ignorant, yet cooperative traveler as quickly or as easily as a million-mile air travel expert is actually the party wasting everybody's time. Imagine for a moment that someone sets out to intentionally slow down the screening queue. Whose fault is it if he is easily able to do so? The people that established the operating procedures for the screening are responsible. On a highway, the slow car is passed, using a different lane. On a computer, the processor hog may be interrupted so that other processes and threads may still execute. Unfortunately, as you suspect, the TSA has a motive for keeping the lines slow. Slow lines may lead to bigger budgets, as they complain about being "resource constrained". Perhaps you are making it more convenient for yourself by transferring your irritation to those who are not able to retaliate against your visible annoyance, by abusing their authority to perform additional unnecessary screenings the instant you reach the head of the queue? Stop blaming the victims!
  - Mendenhall 10y ago
    Both are responsible because they both took actions that caused delays,and I was not speaking of any bias the TSA have when taking people out of line etc and doing things also that may increase lag. I have no irritation with passengers wasting everyones time in line, I expect many people to be inconsiderate of others, that is human nature. I also note how many pass the blame onto others instead of realizing there are things they can do to help their fellow passengers, but they don't, to me it says a lot about that person. I place blame of the slowdown on anything that causes the slowdown, including inconsiderate people and inept TSA policy and people.

mindslight 10y ago

> When they then exit the scan they clog up the line by standing right there trying to put everything back on or away Um, excuse me? If I've just been made to disassemble my person and be less secure, you can damn well bet I am going to take my time reassembling myself and making sure I have everything back in its rightful place before proceeding. I'd recommend everybody do the same, even if that means holding your ground if the goons start trying to assault you into moving forward.

Mendenhall 10y ago
Why would someone bring things they would have to disassemble then reassemble? (medical condition etc aside), when they know they are going to have to fly ? that is inconsiderate IMO To each there own, I just know they are part of the problem.
- mindslight 10y ago
  Because people like wearing shoes, having entertainment on the plane, and carrying valuables that would be unwise to check?
- chrismcb 10y ago
  You are supposed to take your liquids out, your laptop out. Remove your coat, your belt, your shoes. I don't do much of that, yet I still need to collect my belongings and my shoes... You know "reassemble yourself" OP didn't mean take apart and rebuild something