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Sigh. Apologists? Really? Look, people have been declaring the end to programming since it became a profession. Heck, man, Visual Basic was supposed to put us

Sigh. Apologists? Really? Look, people have been declaring the end to programming since it became a profession. Heck, man, Visual Basic was supposed to put us all out of work. Good grief, dude.

Hydraulix989 10y ago
There's actually a great underlying point here, to make up for this comment's lackluster delivery thereof. If anything, Visual Basic is a great example of something that ended (a significant part of) programming. I don't know too many people these days writing WIN32 C GUIs any more, thanks to my above-described forces of abstraction. Sure, VB wasn't the best abstraction for graphical user interfaces -- it looks like web was the real winner here, but GUI programming has been "abstracted out" or automated, if you will.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  That didn't end because of VB. The web has taken over desktop GUI programs because of how lucrative your personal information has become.
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unprepare 10y ago
so you believe that 0 web development jobs have been lost since the creation of squarespace/wordpress? You believe that not a single datacenter has shuttered its doors since the success of AWS? You think that every single person who was developing game engines for every one off indie game is still doing so after the success of various game engines? Youre being obviously defensive here. Programming as a concept is obviously not going away, but many segments of the industry have already been taken out by automation. >the end to programming since it became a profession Would be as laughably ignorant as declaring the end of manual labor. It will always continue to be done, but its need appears far lesser over time, requiring fewer people fewer hours to do the same tasks. Automation isnt a sign on a door one day that says "shops closed, programmers dont exist anymore" Automation is you slowly taking on more responsibility because technology makes that possible. Automation is the marketing team creating the company's website, because tools like squarespace have made it easy enough for them to do. Thats 1 web development job automated away, there's no pronouncement that we no longer need web developers worldwide, just that for an increasing number of cases, it is unnecessary to hire a specialist.

Sigh. Apologists? Really? Look, people have been declaring the end to programming since it became a profession. Heck, man, Visual Basic was supposed to put us all out of work. Good grief, dude.

Hydraulix989 10y ago

There's actually a great underlying point here, to make up for this comment's lackluster delivery thereof. If anything, Visual Basic is a great example of something that ended (a significant part of) programming. I don't know too many people these days writing WIN32 C GUIs any more, thanks to my above-described forces of abstraction. Sure, VB wasn't the best abstraction for graphical user interfaces -- it looks like web was the real winner here, but GUI programming has been "abstracted out" or automated, if you will.

JustSomeNobody 10y ago
That didn't end because of VB. The web has taken over desktop GUI programs because of how lucrative your personal information has become.
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unprepare 10y ago

so you believe that 0 web development jobs have been lost since the creation of squarespace/wordpress? You believe that not a single datacenter has shuttered its doors since the success of AWS? You think that every single person who was developing game engines for every one off indie game is still doing so after the success of various game engines? Youre being obviously defensive here. Programming as a concept is obviously not going away, but many segments of the industry have already been taken out by automation. >the end to programming since it became a profession Would be as laughably ignorant as declaring the end of manual labor. It will always continue to be done, but its need appears far lesser over time, requiring fewer people fewer hours to do the same tasks. Automation isnt a sign on a door one day that says "shops closed, programmers dont exist anymore" Automation is you slowly taking on more responsibility because technology makes that possible. Automation is the marketing team creating the company's website, because tools like squarespace have made it easy enough for them to do. Thats 1 web development job automated away, there's no pronouncement that we no longer need web developers worldwide, just that for an increasing number of cases, it is unnecessary to hire a specialist.