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Absolutely, honestly, I would turn out to vote for Bernie Sanders, but that is seeming to be less likely as time progresses. So, I won't be voting at all, since

by Apofis 10y ago

Absolutely, honestly, I would turn out to vote for Bernie Sanders, but that is seeming to be less likely as time progresses. So, I won't be voting at all, since I could care less if either Clinton or Trump get elected. Clinton gets elected and the status quo doesn't change very much, Trump gets elected, and maybe---just maybe some people will begin to sit up and take action.

danenania 10y ago
In the case of Trump getting elected, you're assuming that we'd still have anything that resembles a democracy four years later and that the people who'd supposedly be ready to take action wouldn't be thrown in jail or disappeared or suppressed via collective violence. Resigning oneself to naked fascism with the idea that it could somehow lead to more progress down the line is quite the gamble. Perhaps it could work out, but you're playing with some serious fire.
- deleted 10y ago
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- vintermann 10y ago
  Trump isn't Mussolini. He's more Berlusconi, if you want to stay in Italy. It's anyone's guess how Trump would actually rule, but throwing dissenters in jail would be admitting defeat on his only real core value, which is that he's so great that he always gets his way on charisma and "negotiation skill". Other than that, I do agree that "it must get worse before it can get better" is bad policy, since the former is usually a lot more reliable than the latter.
- LionessLover 10y ago
  Wow, you would make a great fiction author!
shifter 10y ago
Perhaps you don't care about social issues but there is a world of difference between the presumptive candidates' positions. Do you care about the fate of women and minorities?
lewisl9029 10y ago
This stance I sometimes hear from Sanders supporters (and I'm one of them, though not a US citizen myself) completely baffles me. Why would a Sanders supporter want to risk putting someone like Trump in office (through inaction)? Asides from maybe the anti-establishment aspect, Trump and his proposed policies spits in the face of everything Sanders stands for. Even if we ignore his own dangerous, egomaniac tendencies, having a Republican president in office with a supreme court nomination on the line could easily undo all the progress (however little) the US has made in areas like healthcare, marriage equality, minority rights, gun regulation, climate change, etc, and very possibly even regress on certain areas. There's so much at stake in this election and a Trump presidency will be absolutely disastrous for not just the US, but the entire world.
- krisroadruck 10y ago
  It's probably confusing to you because you don't understand that there are people who dislike Hillary and Trump in equal measures. I think either will be a complete disaster but seeing as how it looks like I have no alternatives I refuse to dignify the election by wasting my time voting between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. The idea of vote for Hillary because she is slightly less evil than trump or the reverse is just not something I'm willing to do. They are both scum and I can't stomach endorsing either one in some kind of crazy game of russian roulette.
  - Apofis 10y ago
    Precisely my point!
beedogs 10y ago
> I won't be voting at all, since I could care less if either Clinton or Trump get elected. That's a pretty ignorant attitude. The next President will be appointing 2-3 SCOTUS judges and a slew of Federal judges. You're totally cool with letting Trump pick those people?

by Apofis 10y ago

danenania 10y ago

In the case of Trump getting elected, you're assuming that we'd still have anything that resembles a democracy four years later and that the people who'd supposedly be ready to take action wouldn't be thrown in jail or disappeared or suppressed via collective violence. Resigning oneself to naked fascism with the idea that it could somehow lead to more progress down the line is quite the gamble. Perhaps it could work out, but you're playing with some serious fire.

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vintermann 10y ago
Trump isn't Mussolini. He's more Berlusconi, if you want to stay in Italy. It's anyone's guess how Trump would actually rule, but throwing dissenters in jail would be admitting defeat on his only real core value, which is that he's so great that he always gets his way on charisma and "negotiation skill". Other than that, I do agree that "it must get worse before it can get better" is bad policy, since the former is usually a lot more reliable than the latter.
LionessLover 10y ago
Wow, you would make a great fiction author!

shifter 10y ago

Perhaps you don't care about social issues but there is a world of difference between the presumptive candidates' positions. Do you care about the fate of women and minorities?

lewisl9029 10y ago

This stance I sometimes hear from Sanders supporters (and I'm one of them, though not a US citizen myself) completely baffles me. Why would a Sanders supporter want to risk putting someone like Trump in office (through inaction)? Asides from maybe the anti-establishment aspect, Trump and his proposed policies spits in the face of everything Sanders stands for. Even if we ignore his own dangerous, egomaniac tendencies, having a Republican president in office with a supreme court nomination on the line could easily undo all the progress (however little) the US has made in areas like healthcare, marriage equality, minority rights, gun regulation, climate change, etc, and very possibly even regress on certain areas. There's so much at stake in this election and a Trump presidency will be absolutely disastrous for not just the US, but the entire world.

krisroadruck 10y ago
It's probably confusing to you because you don't understand that there are people who dislike Hillary and Trump in equal measures. I think either will be a complete disaster but seeing as how it looks like I have no alternatives I refuse to dignify the election by wasting my time voting between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. The idea of vote for Hillary because she is slightly less evil than trump or the reverse is just not something I'm willing to do. They are both scum and I can't stomach endorsing either one in some kind of crazy game of russian roulette.
- Apofis 10y ago
  Precisely my point!

beedogs 10y ago

> I won't be voting at all, since I could care less if either Clinton or Trump get elected. That's a pretty ignorant attitude. The next President will be appointing 2-3 SCOTUS judges and a slew of Federal judges. You're totally cool with letting Trump pick those people?