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I think you are speaking of anti-gmo as a culture vs. anti-gmo as science. It is like vegan's who adopt the diet for spiritual reasons vs. health reasons. The

by 13years 10y ago

I think you are speaking of anti-gmo as a culture vs. anti-gmo as science. It is like vegan's who adopt the diet for spiritual reasons vs. health reasons. The fact that some adopt a position or practice based on non scientific reasoning doesn't negate that scientific reasoning does exist for other facets of the subject. IMHO, the "punch back firmly" attitude leads to reciprocation on both sides and a death spiral for any real dialogue.

civilian 10y ago
Right, I am definitely talking about the culture. There are some valid arguments not to use GMO, and I never hear them. You should check this out: http://acsh.org/news/2016/05/17/pinterest-a-sewer-pipe-of-anti-science-propaganda/ http://acsh.org/news/2016/05/17/pinterest-a-sewer-pipe-of-an... As a culture, I believe that we are "punching back firmly" when it comes to vaccinations. California passed a law requiring vaccinations or a valid reason not to have one. Late-night comedy talk shows are mocking them. It sure as hell isn't polite, but measles isn't polite either. I guess that I try to educate when I meet people in-person who are anti-GMO. The last anti-GMO person was a friend of the family at an engagement party-- I wasn't going to be mean about it. But I was firm and explained what kind of genes are moved over, and how it only changes a few things. And how that it's really cool that we're harnessing one piece of nature to help another piece of nature! I'll be aware to try persuasion over mocking. This is a tangent, and I'm not a vegan, but you should be careful about conflating moral reasons with spiritual reasons. "I don't want to kill or cause the death of animals" is not a spiritual statement.
- 13years 10y ago
  Just consider that some individuals who have concerns with GMO's are not scientist themselves, but are referring to information that they have identified as a vetted scientific source. Which may or may not be true. So, from their perspective, it is a science argument. Labeling their argument as anti-science is condescending in that it is received as a statement they are either not educated, have phobias of technology or their position comes from some religious or philosophical belief. We also have to recognize that we often get things wrong and that's why in a free society people are free to choose what they consume and should have knowledge of what is in a product. http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/how-settled-science-caused-a-massive-public-health-crisis/ http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/how-settled-s... The elephant in the room with vaccines is a credibility problem within the industry. Until that is addressed, doubt the dialog is going to improve. Whether the following are all true or not is irrelevant, these articles represent the lost of public trust which I believe is at the root of the problem that is never discussed. https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/vioxx/vioxx-preemption-01011.html#.Vlx2HueLT9I https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/vioxx/vioxx-p... At 6:30, mentions over 132,000 lawsuits filed against industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48&feature=youtu.be&t=387 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48&feature=youtu.be... Vaccines protected from lawsuits http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/March-2011/No-Pharma-Liability--No-Vaccine-Mandates-.aspx http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/March-2011/No-Pharma-L...

by 13years 10y ago

civilian 10y ago

Right, I am definitely talking about the culture. There are some valid arguments not to use GMO, and I never hear them. You should check this out: http://acsh.org/news/2016/05/17/pinterest-a-sewer-pipe-of-anti-science-propaganda/ http://acsh.org/news/2016/05/17/pinterest-a-sewer-pipe-of-an... As a culture, I believe that we are "punching back firmly" when it comes to vaccinations. California passed a law requiring vaccinations or a valid reason not to have one. Late-night comedy talk shows are mocking them. It sure as hell isn't polite, but measles isn't polite either. I guess that I try to educate when I meet people in-person who are anti-GMO. The last anti-GMO person was a friend of the family at an engagement party-- I wasn't going to be mean about it. But I was firm and explained what kind of genes are moved over, and how it only changes a few things. And how that it's really cool that we're harnessing one piece of nature to help another piece of nature! I'll be aware to try persuasion over mocking. This is a tangent, and I'm not a vegan, but you should be careful about conflating moral reasons with spiritual reasons. "I don't want to kill or cause the death of animals" is not a spiritual statement.

13years 10y ago
Just consider that some individuals who have concerns with GMO's are not scientist themselves, but are referring to information that they have identified as a vetted scientific source. Which may or may not be true. So, from their perspective, it is a science argument. Labeling their argument as anti-science is condescending in that it is received as a statement they are either not educated, have phobias of technology or their position comes from some religious or philosophical belief. We also have to recognize that we often get things wrong and that's why in a free society people are free to choose what they consume and should have knowledge of what is in a product. http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/how-settled-science-caused-a-massive-public-health-crisis/ http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/how-settled-s... The elephant in the room with vaccines is a credibility problem within the industry. Until that is addressed, doubt the dialog is going to improve. Whether the following are all true or not is irrelevant, these articles represent the lost of public trust which I believe is at the root of the problem that is never discussed. https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/vioxx/vioxx-preemption-01011.html#.Vlx2HueLT9I https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/vioxx/vioxx-p... At 6:30, mentions over 132,000 lawsuits filed against industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48&feature=youtu.be&t=387 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48&feature=youtu.be... Vaccines protected from lawsuits http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/March-2011/No-Pharma-Liability--No-Vaccine-Mandates-.aspx http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/March-2011/No-Pharma-L...