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I am inclined to agree. During election days, I struggled to get time off from my retail job to go vote. If young people are encouraged to vote, they should not

I am inclined to agree. During election days, I struggled to get time off from my retail job to go vote. If young people are encouraged to vote, they should not be financially penalized for doing so. Also, you have to go to a polling place next to your neighborhood. Most of the time work is not anywhere close to just take off during lunch and get the vote out. It almost ends up being a hassle. Sundays would be better, but there is still a substantial part of the population that works on Sundays. Additionally, the "closed" primaries vs "open" primaries are bullshit. As a citizen I should be able to go to a polling place, choose a candidate and get out.

igorgue 10y ago
Yes, it's very much bs, also take a look at the way districts are laid out in America for congressional and presidential races... It's just A LOT OF THINGS are a little fucked up with our voting system and the combination of ALL OF THEM makes it a HUGE MESS!
st3v3r 10y ago
"Additionally, the "closed" primaries vs "open" primaries are bullshit. As a citizen I should be able to go to a polling place, choose a candidate and get out." Depending on the state, though, it's the party choosing who the candidate they want to put forward is. So it should be that party's right to decide who gets to partake in that decision. I mean, would it make sense for a whole bunch of Republicans to come and vote in the Democratic primary?
- pixelatedindex 10y ago
  >So it should be that party's right to decide who gets to partake in that decision. I mean, would it make sense for a whole bunch of Republicans to come and vote in the Democratic primary? It shouldn't matter if a Democrat is voting Republican or the other way around. People can change their minds, and should not be disallowed to vote if they find that the other party is doing a better job in making the country a better place. If a whole bunch of Republicans vote Democrat, it means that the Republicans have failed to do their job! Saying you can't vote because of that is like a childish loser saying you can't play for the opposing team. My point is that such a decision should not be made and it segregates our democracy and makes it an "us vs them" fight, when in reality we're all in this together.
  - chrisseaton 10y ago
    But primaries are about political parties choosing who should represent them aren't they? Political parties are private clubs. If you aren't a signed up member of that political party why is it any of your business to have a say in who represents them?
    - maxerickson 10y ago
      Why should private clubs be determining who is on the ballot? If they had that role removed, they would still be able to endorse a candidate or agree to all vote for the same candidate or whatever.
      - chrisseaton 10y ago
        I don't know much about US politics but I don't think they are determining who is on the ballot are they? They're determining who can claim to be the official Republican Party but I don't think there's any reasonable grounds to say that that's wrong. Ted Cruz can still be on the ballot if he wants to can't he? As an independent? How could the Republican Party stop him?
        maxerickson 10y ago
        There's "sore loser" laws in some states that would be a problem, and he would have to collect thousands of signatures in most states where he wants to be on the ballot. It's a complicated morass of rules that would cost a lot of money: https://ballotpedia.org/Filing_deadlines_and_signature_requirements_for_independent_presidential_candidates,_2016 https://ballotpedia.org/Filing_deadlines_and_signature_requi... In contrast, the parties essentially have a reserved nationwide slot that they fill after many months of media circus.
      - st3v3r 10y ago
        "Why should private clubs be determining who is on the ballot?" They don't. They pick two of the people on the ballot. Anyone has the chance of getting on the ballot if they aren't part of one of those groups.

igorgue 10y ago

Yes, it's very much bs, also take a look at the way districts are laid out in America for congressional and presidential races... It's just A LOT OF THINGS are a little fucked up with our voting system and the combination of ALL OF THEM makes it a HUGE MESS!

st3v3r 10y ago

"Additionally, the "closed" primaries vs "open" primaries are bullshit. As a citizen I should be able to go to a polling place, choose a candidate and get out." Depending on the state, though, it's the party choosing who the candidate they want to put forward is. So it should be that party's right to decide who gets to partake in that decision. I mean, would it make sense for a whole bunch of Republicans to come and vote in the Democratic primary?

pixelatedindex 10y ago
>So it should be that party's right to decide who gets to partake in that decision. I mean, would it make sense for a whole bunch of Republicans to come and vote in the Democratic primary? It shouldn't matter if a Democrat is voting Republican or the other way around. People can change their minds, and should not be disallowed to vote if they find that the other party is doing a better job in making the country a better place. If a whole bunch of Republicans vote Democrat, it means that the Republicans have failed to do their job! Saying you can't vote because of that is like a childish loser saying you can't play for the opposing team. My point is that such a decision should not be made and it segregates our democracy and makes it an "us vs them" fight, when in reality we're all in this together.
- chrisseaton 10y ago
  But primaries are about political parties choosing who should represent them aren't they? Political parties are private clubs. If you aren't a signed up member of that political party why is it any of your business to have a say in who represents them?
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    Why should private clubs be determining who is on the ballot? If they had that role removed, they would still be able to endorse a candidate or agree to all vote for the same candidate or whatever.
    - chrisseaton 10y ago
      I don't know much about US politics but I don't think they are determining who is on the ballot are they? They're determining who can claim to be the official Republican Party but I don't think there's any reasonable grounds to say that that's wrong. Ted Cruz can still be on the ballot if he wants to can't he? As an independent? How could the Republican Party stop him?
      - maxerickson 10y ago
        There's "sore loser" laws in some states that would be a problem, and he would have to collect thousands of signatures in most states where he wants to be on the ballot. It's a complicated morass of rules that would cost a lot of money: https://ballotpedia.org/Filing_deadlines_and_signature_requirements_for_independent_presidential_candidates,_2016 https://ballotpedia.org/Filing_deadlines_and_signature_requi... In contrast, the parties essentially have a reserved nationwide slot that they fill after many months of media circus.
    - st3v3r 10y ago
      "Why should private clubs be determining who is on the ballot?" They don't. They pick two of the people on the ballot. Anyone has the chance of getting on the ballot if they aren't part of one of those groups.