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The right of a parent to indoctrinate their children trumps the right of the child to have an actual education. I don't know the answer, but it's a gross feedb

by fooey 10y ago

The right of a parent to indoctrinate their children trumps the right of the child to have an actual education. I don't know the answer, but it's a gross feedback loop.

fapjacks 10y ago
>an actual eduction I'm not one of those people, but here it should be "indoctrinated by the state", because I think that's what our schools do. I think we play fast and loose with the term "school". For being an institution supposedly concerned with imparting knowledge on kids, the current system does a pretty shitty job of it. Most kids don't even know the algebra they "learn" in school, let alone stuff like how to pay rent, taxes, how to drive, how to budget, how to vote, how to work effectively in team situations on common tasks, how to survive in the wilderness (yes, that skill is taught in some countries). Our "schools" are awful. Maybe it's as simple as a big money injection. I dunno. But as is, it's awful.
- nikdaheratik 10y ago
  I think you're being a little hyperbolic. And the question is whether the parents' exercising their "right" to promote their religion of choice and cut out the teaching of evolution and sex ed might not leave the child with some deficiencies in their education. It generally depends on how qualified the alternatives are, but the answer is probably "yes it does".
  - fapjacks 10y ago
    I'm not saying anything about those awful people. I'm saying that our education system is a giant mess. I am the polar opposite of those parents, but I know a few of them on Facebook and find that I agree with their sentiment about schools more often than not. And that is a problem, when the system is in a condition such that I find myself agreeing with those people about schools.
- douche 10y ago
  I wouldn't bet on a money injection fixing anything - I've read a number of reports that show almost no correlation between performance and per-student-dollars.
  - fapjacks 10y ago
    Yeah, you're right, douche.

by fooey 10y ago

The right of a parent to indoctrinate their children trumps the right of the child to have an actual education. I don't know the answer, but it's a gross feedback loop.

fapjacks 10y ago

>an actual eduction I'm not one of those people, but here it should be "indoctrinated by the state", because I think that's what our schools do. I think we play fast and loose with the term "school". For being an institution supposedly concerned with imparting knowledge on kids, the current system does a pretty shitty job of it. Most kids don't even know the algebra they "learn" in school, let alone stuff like how to pay rent, taxes, how to drive, how to budget, how to vote, how to work effectively in team situations on common tasks, how to survive in the wilderness (yes, that skill is taught in some countries). Our "schools" are awful. Maybe it's as simple as a big money injection. I dunno. But as is, it's awful.

nikdaheratik 10y ago
I think you're being a little hyperbolic. And the question is whether the parents' exercising their "right" to promote their religion of choice and cut out the teaching of evolution and sex ed might not leave the child with some deficiencies in their education. It generally depends on how qualified the alternatives are, but the answer is probably "yes it does".
- fapjacks 10y ago
  I'm not saying anything about those awful people. I'm saying that our education system is a giant mess. I am the polar opposite of those parents, but I know a few of them on Facebook and find that I agree with their sentiment about schools more often than not. And that is a problem, when the system is in a condition such that I find myself agreeing with those people about schools.
douche 10y ago
I wouldn't bet on a money injection fixing anything - I've read a number of reports that show almost no correlation between performance and per-student-dollars.
- fapjacks 10y ago
  Yeah, you're right, douche.