> I wish more programmers learned SQL --- I mean really learned it through and through --- than concentrated on the latest fads. And miss out on all the coffee

> I wish more programmers learned SQL --- I mean really learned it through and through --- than concentrated on the latest fads. And miss out on all the coffee breaks afforded by programmers just looping over entire databases in a horribly inefficient ORM ? Because all this condition abstraction in the ORM is really hard to use ... Don't worry though : they're optimizing it. I hear they're upgrading to run the loop in 100 threads instead of just one. Surely that will accelerate things a lot ! And if that doesn't work, we always have memcache, don't we ? Also we can now use cloud databases to spread the load, surely that'll help (I'm looking forward for the first double-digit page refresh, measured in dollars) (Having worked years for hosting providers where 20-30% of my job was making PHP/Python/Ruby/sometimes even Java applications run faster, and achieving 50x improvements on a regular basis, this had to get off my chest. And yes I've seen people implement mail address lookups by iterating over the ORM-provided collection ... and then show 50 mail addresses, wondering why the page load time was bordering on 3 digits when measured in minutes. Not even just once)