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"Flash is a pain, performance and battery life-wise, and it's all too often used for video ads and such" Unfortunately you could easily replace Flash for JavaS

by robmcm 10y ago

"Flash is a pain, performance and battery life-wise, and it's all too often used for video ads and such" Unfortunately you could easily replace Flash for JavaScript these days. I wonder how long before the default is to brows with JavaScript turned off... or is it too integral to basic web pages now? I think we will look back at the days when Flash was prevalent wish we could easily group all the advertising and cpu intensive scripts into a optional plugin.

TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
At least JS can be constrained somewhat by browser extensions.
andybak 10y ago
> I wonder how long before the default is to brows with JavaScript turned off... or is it too integral to basic web pages now? As Flash once was. Maybe a grass-roots revolt is needed. Something akin to Apple refusing to allow Flash on iOS. Imagine if js was throttled - or automatically disabled if a page was detected as being too resource-intensive? That would realign the incentives of user and content-producer and web-developers would find it considerably easier to argue for spending time on performance tuning. I believe Google's using pagespeed as a factor in ranking is a small step in this direction. I hope someone goes all in.
- franciscop 10y ago
  I believe there's some limit for javascript in inactive tabs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15871942/how-do-browsers-pause-change-javascript-when-tab-or-window-is-not-active http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15871942/how-do-browsers-...
- ygra 10y ago
  > Imagine if js was throttled - or automatically disabled if a page was detected as being too resource-intensive? Google tried doing something in that direction, by not running functions registered with setTimeout in certain cases (a pattern that's supposedly often used by ads on a site, impacting load time), thereby breaking a whole lot of legitimate cases along the way.
  - robmcm 10y ago
    Opera has just done something like this for it's low power mode: Reduced activity in background tabs Waking CPU less often due to more optimal scheduling of JavaScript timers Automatically pausing unused plug-ins Reduced frame rate to 30 frames per second Tuning video-playback parameters and forcing usage of hardware accelerated video codecs Paused animations of browser themes http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2016/05/introducing-power-saving-mode/ http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2016/05/introducing-power...
nye2k 10y ago
You absolutely cannot easily reproduce a proper Flash experience in JavaScript, or Canvas. This is a problem we've been working on for years building animated experiences for kids, and the js "equivalent" is heavy on assets and extremely limits what the artist and developer can produce in the same amount of time.
- robmcm 10y ago
  Sorry that should have read: "Unfortunately you could easily replace Flash for JavaScript these days [in that quote]."
- Aldo_MX 10y ago
  > You absolutely cannot easily reproduce a proper Flash experience in JavaScript, or Canvas. Didn't Adobe Animate[1] (the successor of Flash) allow you to convert a .fla file to Canvas (or WebGL)? [1] https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/using/creating-publishing-html5-canvas-document.html#converting-to-html5 https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/using/creating-publishing-ht...
intrasight 10y ago
My default is to browse with JS turned off.

by robmcm 10y ago

TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago

At least JS can be constrained somewhat by browser extensions.

andybak 10y ago

> I wonder how long before the default is to brows with JavaScript turned off... or is it too integral to basic web pages now? As Flash once was. Maybe a grass-roots revolt is needed. Something akin to Apple refusing to allow Flash on iOS. Imagine if js was throttled - or automatically disabled if a page was detected as being too resource-intensive? That would realign the incentives of user and content-producer and web-developers would find it considerably easier to argue for spending time on performance tuning. I believe Google's using pagespeed as a factor in ranking is a small step in this direction. I hope someone goes all in.

franciscop 10y ago
I believe there's some limit for javascript in inactive tabs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15871942/how-do-browsers-pause-change-javascript-when-tab-or-window-is-not-active http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15871942/how-do-browsers-...
ygra 10y ago
> Imagine if js was throttled - or automatically disabled if a page was detected as being too resource-intensive? Google tried doing something in that direction, by not running functions registered with setTimeout in certain cases (a pattern that's supposedly often used by ads on a site, impacting load time), thereby breaking a whole lot of legitimate cases along the way.
- robmcm 10y ago
  Opera has just done something like this for it's low power mode: Reduced activity in background tabs Waking CPU less often due to more optimal scheduling of JavaScript timers Automatically pausing unused plug-ins Reduced frame rate to 30 frames per second Tuning video-playback parameters and forcing usage of hardware accelerated video codecs Paused animations of browser themes http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2016/05/introducing-power-saving-mode/ http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2016/05/introducing-power...

nye2k 10y ago

You absolutely cannot easily reproduce a proper Flash experience in JavaScript, or Canvas. This is a problem we've been working on for years building animated experiences for kids, and the js "equivalent" is heavy on assets and extremely limits what the artist and developer can produce in the same amount of time.

robmcm 10y ago
Sorry that should have read: "Unfortunately you could easily replace Flash for JavaScript these days [in that quote]."
Aldo_MX 10y ago
> You absolutely cannot easily reproduce a proper Flash experience in JavaScript, or Canvas. Didn't Adobe Animate[1] (the successor of Flash) allow you to convert a .fla file to Canvas (or WebGL)? [1] https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/using/creating-publishing-html5-canvas-document.html#converting-to-html5 https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/using/creating-publishing-ht...

intrasight 10y ago

My default is to browse with JS turned off.