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and what happens if I forgot my password?

chopin 10y ago
It's told in the headline, I believe...
INTPenis 10y ago
>The defendant, who is referred to as "John Doe" in court papers, claims he forgot the passwords. The suspect's identity is Francis Rawls, according to trial court papers. > In fact, Doe had multiple layers of password protection on his devices, and he always entered his passcodes for all of his devices from memory. Doe never had any trouble remembering his passcodes (other than when compelled to do so by the federal court), never hesitated when entering the passcodes, and never failed to gain entry on his first attempt.
- oarsinsync 10y ago
  Which in itself isn't really valid. Under immense stress, memory fails. I'd wager facing a long prison sentence for a crime that will make you a big target in an already hostile environment would be pretty stressful.
  - dkersten 10y ago
    I was going to comment the same thing. If I'd been imprisoned for 7 months, there's a good chance I'd forget my password manager master password too... I remember it now because I enter it multiple times a day. After 7 months, under duress and stress? I'm not sure if I would...
    - SixSigma 10y ago
      I'm not so sure. It's going to be on your mind constantly, surely.
      - dkersten 10y ago
        I forgot my previous master password a month or two after I changed it. But the point is, after many months (eg 7) plus stress... many people would. Not everyone, but enough people that I don't think you can blanket say "you surely know it, hand it over".
        SixSigma 10y ago
        But not while you were in prison for not revealing it. Surely you'd be lying there at night and passwords would be all you could think about! I keep going over where I went wrong in the exams I did a month ago and I've already had the results with all at 90%+ (yeah r/iamverysmart, I know)
        dkersten 10y ago
        I think people are different. There was one rather important password that I hadn't used in a few months before I needed it. I tried for a week to remember before eventually resetting it. Of course, if I were arrested tomorrow, I'd be able to remember my master password. I'd probably still remember it a month from now too, but a few months later not so much. So the question is: if he was lying at first, but now no longer is, what does that mean for him, legally?
    - oarsinsync 10y ago
      Meanwhile a laptop I didn't access for 3 months has a boot password (that I must not have needed for >3 months ontop of that) is now locked away and without any ability for me to login to. And that was without going to prison
      - mpnordland 10y ago
        Open it up and remove the CMOS battery for a while then replace it. That will remove a BIOS password. OTOH, if you encrypted the drive...
        besselheim 10y ago
        Unfortunately this won't work on most modern systems where the password hash is held in nonvolatile memory, rather than a battery-backed volatile store.
        oarsinsync 10y ago
        > if you encrypted the drive... Yep, LUKS AES-256. I seem to recall someone demonstrating how to crack LUKS for fun, but I can't remember where I found that article, nor enough keywords to find it again. I might just be failing at Google, mind.
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xaduha 10y ago
You could be lying. What is more interesting to me is what happens when you destroy the crypto key (usb token or a smartcard), so no one ever can decrypt it.
- Freak_NL 10y ago
  Then you will probably get charged with destruction of evidence, and punished accordingly. Either there is evidence that you willingly destroyed it, or there isn't and you are acquitted. That situation seems a lot less abstract and certainly less disconcerting than being jailed indefinitely for not remembering a passphrase (or claiming you can't).
ommunist 10y ago
This happens http://lurkmore.so/images/c/c3/4e5a11b13211.jpg http://lurkmore.so/images/c/c3/4e5a11b13211.jpg

It's told in the headline, I believe...

>The defendant, who is referred to as "John Doe" in court papers, claims he forgot the passwords. The suspect's identity is Francis Rawls, according to trial court papers. > In fact, Doe had multiple layers of password protection on his devices, and he always entered his passcodes for all of his devices from memory. Doe never had any trouble remembering his passcodes (other than when compelled to do so by the federal court), never hesitated when entering the passcodes, and never failed to gain entry on his first attempt.

oarsinsync 10y ago
Which in itself isn't really valid. Under immense stress, memory fails. I'd wager facing a long prison sentence for a crime that will make you a big target in an already hostile environment would be pretty stressful.
- dkersten 10y ago
  I was going to comment the same thing. If I'd been imprisoned for 7 months, there's a good chance I'd forget my password manager master password too... I remember it now because I enter it multiple times a day. After 7 months, under duress and stress? I'm not sure if I would...
  - SixSigma 10y ago
    I'm not so sure. It's going to be on your mind constantly, surely.
    - dkersten 10y ago
      I forgot my previous master password a month or two after I changed it. But the point is, after many months (eg 7) plus stress... many people would. Not everyone, but enough people that I don't think you can blanket say "you surely know it, hand it over".
      - SixSigma 10y ago
        But not while you were in prison for not revealing it. Surely you'd be lying there at night and passwords would be all you could think about! I keep going over where I went wrong in the exams I did a month ago and I've already had the results with all at 90%+ (yeah r/iamverysmart, I know)
        dkersten 10y ago
        I think people are different. There was one rather important password that I hadn't used in a few months before I needed it. I tried for a week to remember before eventually resetting it. Of course, if I were arrested tomorrow, I'd be able to remember my master password. I'd probably still remember it a month from now too, but a few months later not so much. So the question is: if he was lying at first, but now no longer is, what does that mean for him, legally?
  - oarsinsync 10y ago
    Meanwhile a laptop I didn't access for 3 months has a boot password (that I must not have needed for >3 months ontop of that) is now locked away and without any ability for me to login to. And that was without going to prison
    - mpnordland 10y ago
      Open it up and remove the CMOS battery for a while then replace it. That will remove a BIOS password. OTOH, if you encrypted the drive...
      - besselheim 10y ago
        Unfortunately this won't work on most modern systems where the password hash is held in nonvolatile memory, rather than a battery-backed volatile store.
      - oarsinsync 10y ago
        > if you encrypted the drive... Yep, LUKS AES-256. I seem to recall someone demonstrating how to crack LUKS for fun, but I can't remember where I found that article, nor enough keywords to find it again. I might just be failing at Google, mind.
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xaduha 10y ago

You could be lying. What is more interesting to me is what happens when you destroy the crypto key (usb token or a smartcard), so no one ever can decrypt it.

Freak_NL 10y ago
Then you will probably get charged with destruction of evidence, and punished accordingly. Either there is evidence that you willingly destroyed it, or there isn't and you are acquitted. That situation seems a lot less abstract and certainly less disconcerting than being jailed indefinitely for not remembering a passphrase (or claiming you can't).

ommunist 10y ago

This happens http://lurkmore.so/images/c/c3/4e5a11b13211.jpg http://lurkmore.so/images/c/c3/4e5a11b13211.jpg