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> New York City's population density is 56% higher than San Francisco's And even New York City is not really that dense: San Francisco: 18 000 people per
by sampo 10y ago
> New York City's population density is 56% higher than San Francisco's
And even New York City is not really that dense:
San Francisco: 18 000 people per mi2
New York City: 27 000
Barcelona: 41 000
Paris: 55 000
Only Manhattan (72 000 per mi2) is dense.
- nerfhammer 10y agoNew York City is vast. Brooklyn alone is 40% larger than San Francisco.
- davidw 10y agoIf you're talking about outlying areas, the rest of the bay area is amazingly not dense given how expensive housing is.
- vonmoltke 10y agoYou can't really compare a single municipality to several that collectively equal it's size. The latter case has a whole lot of more localized and conflicting political interests that serve to hold back the area as a whole.
- davidw 10y agoI know they're different politically - I'm comparing the results, which are terrible.
- nerfhammer 10y agoNote New York City has less of these issues because over the centuries it gained control of its neighboring areas from other counties, something San Francisco never did.
- sampo 10y agoBut given how fervently anti-development San Francisco itself also is, would it even have helped?
- _delirium 10y agoSan Francisco looks positively pro-development compared to places like Palo Alto. At least they allow townhomes, not requiring detached houses with large lots. If more of the Peninsula were even near SF levels of density, the housing issues would be a lot less severe.
- eru 10y agoOr look at Hong Kong and Singapore.
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y agoThat's twice you've said that, care to elaborate? Hong Kong 6,544/km2 17,024/sq mi Singapore: 7,697/km2 19,910/sq mi
- scythe 10y agoHong Kong is 75% rural montane forests. The city density is closer to 80000/mi^2. An unsurprising choice, since for a century residents were surrounded by a much poorer, much more dangerous country, and the ocean, in all directions. The only place you can go in Hong Kong to escape are its parks.
- eru 10y agoSingapore is reasonably dense as a whole for around 5 million people. If you look at the high numbers for Barcelona, Hamburg or Paris, that's only the urban core. Singapore, of course, also has a denser core. (And what scythe said about Hong Kong.)
- sampo 10y agoThose numbers are the population densities for the whole countries. I wasn't able to find densities for the urban areas of Hong Kong or Singapore. Btw, Monaco is at 48 462 people per mi2.