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And what country are you in where things like this don't happen?

fucking_tragedy 10y ago
What countries do you expect things like this to happen so I can avoid them?
skimmas 10y ago
I would say that as an example, in most European countries the relationship between police and citizens is a lot more civilized. But them again this is my impression not sure if it's based on facts. I would sure consider this if I was planing to travel to the US.
redcap 10y ago
From Australia, live in Japan. Having a gun pointed at you by police would not happen in the situation described.
- krapp 10y ago
  On the other hand, Japan's justice system has a 99% conviction rate. That doesn't happen without blatant, systemic corruption. I'd rather deal with cops who might shoot me than cops who will definitely get a confession out of me if they want one.
  - SolaceQuantum 10y ago
    AFAIK a big chunk of the 99% conviction rate is because police will not pursue a case that isn't easy open and shut.
    - Trill-I-Am 10y ago
      It's very disturbing to me that there are any qualifiers that could make that statistic acceptable. It's like explaining the FISA court's approval rate.
  - joesmo 10y ago
    Not very different from the US. "For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate In the US you can have your cake and eat it too: get shot by cops and have to plead guilty to avoid spending a huge chunk of your life in jail in favor of spending a slightly smaller chunk of your life in jail. America's the greatest country in the world (when it comes to injustice by the numbers).
    - DrScump 10y ago
      Not very different from the US. It's extremely different. That 93% figure is limited to federal criminal cases. The vast majority of offenses are state and local. This same wikipedia article says, "In recent years, the conviction rate has averaged approximately 84% in Texas, 82% in California, 72% in New York, 67% in North Carolina, and 59% in Florida." So, you're talking anywhere from (roughly) seven times as frequent acquittals to over 40 times as many. "Not very different", you say?
  - quantumf 10y ago
    USA has 93%. Both figures include plea bargains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
  - throwaway_exer 10y ago
    No, they only try cases they can win.
    - SerLava 10y ago
      They also get to basically torture you for 22 days without charges.
- TheCoelacanth 10y ago
  Instead they will just arrest you and torture you into confessing.
Snowdax 10y ago
Well I can't speak for many countries but Irish police figures are slightly more flattering with 8 people shot by police in total over 15 years. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eight-fatally-shot-by-gardai-in-past-15-years-25987128.html http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eight-fatally-shot-by-g... This is mostly down to how your standard police don't have any firearms at all. So you could say things are at least a few places elsewhere a little different.

What countries do you expect things like this to happen so I can avoid them?

I would say that as an example, in most European countries the relationship between police and citizens is a lot more civilized. But them again this is my impression not sure if it's based on facts. I would sure consider this if I was planing to travel to the US.

redcap 10y ago

From Australia, live in Japan. Having a gun pointed at you by police would not happen in the situation described.

krapp 10y ago
On the other hand, Japan's justice system has a 99% conviction rate. That doesn't happen without blatant, systemic corruption. I'd rather deal with cops who might shoot me than cops who will definitely get a confession out of me if they want one.
- SolaceQuantum 10y ago
  AFAIK a big chunk of the 99% conviction rate is because police will not pursue a case that isn't easy open and shut.
  - Trill-I-Am 10y ago
    It's very disturbing to me that there are any qualifiers that could make that statistic acceptable. It's like explaining the FISA court's approval rate.
- joesmo 10y ago
  Not very different from the US. "For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate In the US you can have your cake and eat it too: get shot by cops and have to plead guilty to avoid spending a huge chunk of your life in jail in favor of spending a slightly smaller chunk of your life in jail. America's the greatest country in the world (when it comes to injustice by the numbers).
  - DrScump 10y ago
    Not very different from the US. It's extremely different. That 93% figure is limited to federal criminal cases. The vast majority of offenses are state and local. This same wikipedia article says, "In recent years, the conviction rate has averaged approximately 84% in Texas, 82% in California, 72% in New York, 67% in North Carolina, and 59% in Florida." So, you're talking anywhere from (roughly) seven times as frequent acquittals to over 40 times as many. "Not very different", you say?
- quantumf 10y ago
  USA has 93%. Both figures include plea bargains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
- throwaway_exer 10y ago
  No, they only try cases they can win.
  - SerLava 10y ago
    They also get to basically torture you for 22 days without charges.
TheCoelacanth 10y ago
Instead they will just arrest you and torture you into confessing.

Snowdax 10y ago

Well I can't speak for many countries but Irish police figures are slightly more flattering with 8 people shot by police in total over 15 years. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eight-fatally-shot-by-gardai-in-past-15-years-25987128.html http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eight-fatally-shot-by-g... This is mostly down to how your standard police don't have any firearms at all. So you could say things are at least a few places elsewhere a little different.