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I am also curious to hear why c2the3rd is so confident about the ignorance displayed here and why silence instead of noise is the solution. Hacker news seems to

I am also curious to hear why c2the3rd is so confident about the ignorance displayed here and why silence instead of noise is the solution. Hacker news seems to do a pretty good job of at least up voting the majority thoughts, and perhaps with some effort by all of us we can respond intelligently to those popular thoughts and also get up voted. Even if ignorant, isn't it worth discussing and responding to if that's what most people are thinking?

brudgers 10y ago
Perhaps the ratio of listening and researching to a priori opining that correlates to discussion quality.
april1stislame 10y ago
>>> Hacker news seems to do a pretty good job of at least up voting the majority thoughts... And therein lies the problem. Echo chambers are only good at making you wish to be deaf, if even...
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  Only if you treat downvotes as bad. My own comments on this thread have received a fair number of both upvotes and downvotes. I consider when that happens (assuming I haven't been overly antagonistic, which I don't think I have been) that I've hit a raw nerve. I could be wrong, but alternatively I could've said something someone isn't willing to hear. That can be useful feedback in its own right (though I prefer the clarity of comments over votes).
  - april1stislame 10y ago
    Yes, you described the problem very well. Nice to see you are aware of contributing to it.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      I'm aware I can say things that people don't like, yes, but in some cases it's more beneficial to have a respectful debate than to stay silent. If I'm not prepared to listen to opposing opinions then I'll be robbing myself of getting a deeper understanding.
      - april1stislame 10y ago
        So, why comment if an downvote is enough, as you say?
        ZenoArrow 10y ago
        A downvote is second best to a comment explaining the reason behind the disagreement. A comment is better feedback than a vote because you can get a clearer understanding from a comment.
  - nxzero 10y ago
    Maybe it's me, but it's rare that my comments get more that 10 votes (up/down) - and as such, I don't make anything of votes to my comments; statistical significance, poor sample, puppet accounts, etc. What I do make something of is meaningful responses to my comments.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      Sure, such feedback is rare, it does require significant feedback in both directions, it doesn't work with single upvote/downvote swings. It's also very obvious when you've said something that annoys one individual as you can get a string of downvotes in quick succession across multiple comments. Such feedback is easy to spot and see as childish, so I enjoy it for what it is instead. That said, I much prefer comments, even those that disagree with me.
- proksoup 10y ago
  Hm, is it an echo chamber if the dissent to the majority is also present and up voted? I feel like you didn't read the second half of my comment or I don't understand what you mean.

brudgers 10y ago

Perhaps the ratio of listening and researching to a priori opining that correlates to discussion quality.

april1stislame 10y ago

>>> Hacker news seems to do a pretty good job of at least up voting the majority thoughts... And therein lies the problem. Echo chambers are only good at making you wish to be deaf, if even...

ZenoArrow 10y ago
Only if you treat downvotes as bad. My own comments on this thread have received a fair number of both upvotes and downvotes. I consider when that happens (assuming I haven't been overly antagonistic, which I don't think I have been) that I've hit a raw nerve. I could be wrong, but alternatively I could've said something someone isn't willing to hear. That can be useful feedback in its own right (though I prefer the clarity of comments over votes).
- april1stislame 10y ago
  Yes, you described the problem very well. Nice to see you are aware of contributing to it.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    I'm aware I can say things that people don't like, yes, but in some cases it's more beneficial to have a respectful debate than to stay silent. If I'm not prepared to listen to opposing opinions then I'll be robbing myself of getting a deeper understanding.
    - april1stislame 10y ago
      So, why comment if an downvote is enough, as you say?
      - ZenoArrow 10y ago
        A downvote is second best to a comment explaining the reason behind the disagreement. A comment is better feedback than a vote because you can get a clearer understanding from a comment.
- nxzero 10y ago
  Maybe it's me, but it's rare that my comments get more that 10 votes (up/down) - and as such, I don't make anything of votes to my comments; statistical significance, poor sample, puppet accounts, etc. What I do make something of is meaningful responses to my comments.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    Sure, such feedback is rare, it does require significant feedback in both directions, it doesn't work with single upvote/downvote swings. It's also very obvious when you've said something that annoys one individual as you can get a string of downvotes in quick succession across multiple comments. Such feedback is easy to spot and see as childish, so I enjoy it for what it is instead. That said, I much prefer comments, even those that disagree with me.
proksoup 10y ago
Hm, is it an echo chamber if the dissent to the majority is also present and up voted? I feel like you didn't read the second half of my comment or I don't understand what you mean.