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What does China actually gain from this? For the government the answer is clear: locally situated companies that they have total control over. WeChat will obvi

What does China actually gain from this? For the government the answer is clear: locally situated companies that they have total control over. WeChat will obviously never pull a Google style "encrypt all the things" - they'll happily help the state reduce the credit scores of political dissidents and anyone who is friends with them. For politically connected cronies (e.g. WeChat owners), the answer is also clear. But if you are just a Chinese citizen, what do you gain? Inferior substitutes for the Google/Facebook/etc infrastructure? Isolation from the rest of the world? [1] This excellent article argues that WeChat's "conversational interface" is just a crude hack around app store restrictions. http://dangrover.com/blog/2016/04/20/bots-wont-replace-apps.html http://dangrover.com/blog/2016/04/20/bots-wont-replace-apps....

bbody 10y ago
> But if you are just a Chinese citizen, what do you gain? Apps that are localized to their needs. > Inferior substitutes for the Google/Facebook/etc infrastructure? They aren't necessarily inferior. WeChat for example has a very intuitive privacy settings, which make a lot more sense than the complicated Facebook ones. > Isolation from the rest of the world? Many of these apps are expanding outside of China (To mixed success).
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  If apps localized to one's needs provide value then there is no need for protectionism. People will choose to use the localized apps. India has a thriving ecosystem of local apps, but with negligible protectionism [1]. Uber, Ola, Zomato and others do a great job of localizing for Indian needs. Based on recent experiences I'd say Uber does a better job than Ola in this regard, in fact. When I visited Malaysia, several folks I spoke to said they have a similar ecosystem. The best thing is that Indians/Malaysians don't have to give up Gmail or Facebook if they don't want to. [1] At least negligible protectionism w.r.t other apps. Ola competes on equal footing with Uber, but both suffer from protectionism w.r.t. legacy taxi providers.
  - bbody 10y ago
    I am not saying that their policy is good or that I agree with it. I just think there are two sides to the picture. Many countries have protectionist policies, in particular in the automotive industry. The United States even had limits on Chinese parts imports[1]. China had an interesting policy to allow its automotive industry to grow through joint ventures with foreign companies (e.g. Hyundai[2]). They have done somewhat similar things with tech companies like Google and Microsoft, to nurther talent and guanxi[3]. Also in regards to Malaysia, the government has threatened to ban Facebook before[4], however not as a mean to allow local competition to grow. [1] http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/protectionism-cannot-save-us-auto-industry http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/protectionism-cannot-save... [2] http://repository.brynmawr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1030&context=polisci_pubs http://repository.brynmawr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1... [3] http://www.amazon.com/Guanxi-Art-Relationships-Microsoft-Gatess/dp/0743273222 http://www.amazon.com/Guanxi-Art-Relationships-Microsoft-Gat... [4] https://globalvoices.org/2014/08/13/malaysian-government-threatens-to-block-facebook-over-abuse-reports/ https://globalvoices.org/2014/08/13/malaysian-government-thr... Edit: Changed tense in regards to America's policy on Chinese imports.
    - yummyfajitas 10y ago
      I'm aware that protectionism is rampant around the world and that the US does it too. I also oppose that and believe US protectionism harms US consumers.
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contravert 10y ago
China doesn't want to end up like Europe, which has no major Internet companies of its own on the same level as Google or Facebook. There has been immense political consequences and soul searching in the EU, and they are trying to push a single digital market concept to better compete against American firms. However, it remains to be seen how effective this strategy will be.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  How does it benefit a Chinese or a frenchie if apps are provided to them by another frenchie, as opposed to by a foreigner? Would I benefit if I received a haircut or transportation from a white man or an American as opposed to a Marathi?

bbody 10y ago

> But if you are just a Chinese citizen, what do you gain? Apps that are localized to their needs. > Inferior substitutes for the Google/Facebook/etc infrastructure? They aren't necessarily inferior. WeChat for example has a very intuitive privacy settings, which make a lot more sense than the complicated Facebook ones. > Isolation from the rest of the world? Many of these apps are expanding outside of China (To mixed success).

yummyfajitas 10y ago
If apps localized to one's needs provide value then there is no need for protectionism. People will choose to use the localized apps. India has a thriving ecosystem of local apps, but with negligible protectionism [1]. Uber, Ola, Zomato and others do a great job of localizing for Indian needs. Based on recent experiences I'd say Uber does a better job than Ola in this regard, in fact. When I visited Malaysia, several folks I spoke to said they have a similar ecosystem. The best thing is that Indians/Malaysians don't have to give up Gmail or Facebook if they don't want to. [1] At least negligible protectionism w.r.t other apps. Ola competes on equal footing with Uber, but both suffer from protectionism w.r.t. legacy taxi providers.
- bbody 10y ago
  I am not saying that their policy is good or that I agree with it. I just think there are two sides to the picture. Many countries have protectionist policies, in particular in the automotive industry. The United States even had limits on Chinese parts imports[1]. China had an interesting policy to allow its automotive industry to grow through joint ventures with foreign companies (e.g. Hyundai[2]). They have done somewhat similar things with tech companies like Google and Microsoft, to nurther talent and guanxi[3]. Also in regards to Malaysia, the government has threatened to ban Facebook before[4], however not as a mean to allow local competition to grow. [1] http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/protectionism-cannot-save-us-auto-industry http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/protectionism-cannot-save... [2] http://repository.brynmawr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1030&context=polisci_pubs http://repository.brynmawr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1... [3] http://www.amazon.com/Guanxi-Art-Relationships-Microsoft-Gatess/dp/0743273222 http://www.amazon.com/Guanxi-Art-Relationships-Microsoft-Gat... [4] https://globalvoices.org/2014/08/13/malaysian-government-threatens-to-block-facebook-over-abuse-reports/ https://globalvoices.org/2014/08/13/malaysian-government-thr... Edit: Changed tense in regards to America's policy on Chinese imports.
  - yummyfajitas 10y ago
    I'm aware that protectionism is rampant around the world and that the US does it too. I also oppose that and believe US protectionism harms US consumers.
    - deleted 10y ago
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contravert 10y ago

China doesn't want to end up like Europe, which has no major Internet companies of its own on the same level as Google or Facebook. There has been immense political consequences and soul searching in the EU, and they are trying to push a single digital market concept to better compete against American firms. However, it remains to be seen how effective this strategy will be.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
How does it benefit a Chinese or a frenchie if apps are provided to them by another frenchie, as opposed to by a foreigner? Would I benefit if I received a haircut or transportation from a white man or an American as opposed to a Marathi?