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"I don't get it. If LISP is such an EPIC language why are there no major pushes from LISP community, or just showcase a piece of software that proves it." Iron

"I don't get it. If LISP is such an EPIC language why are there no major pushes from LISP community, or just showcase a piece of software that proves it." Irony. Using HN to say this. [0] [0] Arc ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_(programming_language)

sotojuan 10y ago
Sorry but a simple site like HN is not a good showcase of any language. I think they mean more ambitious and popular software.
- 59nadir 10y ago
  The funny thing about this is that there is no language that simply allows you to make great things, because making great things really does not have anything to do with the language you use. The only types of areas where this is even remotely the case are things where the rest of the field consistently undervalued a certain concept/category of problems. That's why there is really no language that can do concurrency as easily as Erlang. The only way to figure out whether a language is good for you or not is to use it for whatever you can think of. Trying to be convinced by an Internet forum that a language is good because someone else made something in it is pointless. People have made whatever you can think of in almost every language older than a few years. Their successes say nothing about whether or not the language is good or not or whether or not it was a painful process to make it.
  - sotojuan 10y ago
    Well said!
- bootload 10y ago
  "a simple site like HN is not a good showcase of any language" HN the site, looks deceptively simple. It solves a number of problems simultaneously [0] yet seems to work at scale [1] without bugs. [2] The success of Arc, a Lisp derivative is in the everyday usage of the site and the hard problems it solves. [3] The original comment stands. [0] http://paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://paulgraham.com/hackernews.html [1] "1.6 million page views and 200,000 unique visitors on a given weekday" 2013 ~ http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/18/the-evolution-of-hacker-news/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/18/the-evolution-of-hacker-new... [2] In fact almost 10 years ago I reported a bug, pg actually responded it was a server reset. https://flickr.com/photos/bootload/406590838/ https://flickr.com/photos/bootload/406590838/ [3] Submitting high quality links, with high quality discussion while increasing users. That is a hard problem.

sotojuan 10y ago

Sorry but a simple site like HN is not a good showcase of any language. I think they mean more ambitious and popular software.

59nadir 10y ago
The funny thing about this is that there is no language that simply allows you to make great things, because making great things really does not have anything to do with the language you use. The only types of areas where this is even remotely the case are things where the rest of the field consistently undervalued a certain concept/category of problems. That's why there is really no language that can do concurrency as easily as Erlang. The only way to figure out whether a language is good for you or not is to use it for whatever you can think of. Trying to be convinced by an Internet forum that a language is good because someone else made something in it is pointless. People have made whatever you can think of in almost every language older than a few years. Their successes say nothing about whether or not the language is good or not or whether or not it was a painful process to make it.
- sotojuan 10y ago
  Well said!
bootload 10y ago
"a simple site like HN is not a good showcase of any language" HN the site, looks deceptively simple. It solves a number of problems simultaneously [0] yet seems to work at scale [1] without bugs. [2] The success of Arc, a Lisp derivative is in the everyday usage of the site and the hard problems it solves. [3] The original comment stands. [0] http://paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://paulgraham.com/hackernews.html [1] "1.6 million page views and 200,000 unique visitors on a given weekday" 2013 ~ http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/18/the-evolution-of-hacker-news/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/18/the-evolution-of-hacker-new... [2] In fact almost 10 years ago I reported a bug, pg actually responded it was a server reset. https://flickr.com/photos/bootload/406590838/ https://flickr.com/photos/bootload/406590838/ [3] Submitting high quality links, with high quality discussion while increasing users. That is a hard problem.