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You can refer to this post by Lennart Poettering to get more insight of the goal of this project: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-

You can refer to this post by Lennart Poettering to get more insight of the goal of this project: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linu...

yarrel 10y ago
More systemd bloat. I guess Windows adding an app store made cargo cutting that approach irresistible.
cyberpunk 10y ago
Urgh. It's a lecture from a desktop Linux Dev on what I'm supposed to want. As someone who runs stuff at stupid (not fb or google, but not tiny) scale, this just annoys me. He's right, in some ways.. But.. How many more layers do we need? Who will sign up for this? No one. I'm getting close to the point where I just can't take it anymore. I keep deleting mesos and kubernetes setups and replacing them with 200 line shell scripts at startups with no ops team who are sold lies... Maybe I'll become a pig farmer or something. Open a pub. There's a backlash coming, and we deserve it.
- cyberpunk 10y ago
  I'd really be less offended by this whole thing if every example wasn't about running gnome. This is the guy driving the userland for most of us? Doesn't he realise that no one gives a shit about Linux desktop apps? Sure there are some, we should be more focuses on the needs of people who are deploying 1000s of jvms or node apps or ruby or whatever though... Shouldn't we?
  - jsnell 10y ago
    There are already plenty of people focused on those needs. In fact your previous comment seemed to be complaining about there being too many solutions already. Why are you so offended that some people are trying to solve a real problem they have, instead of piling into the server use case that's already very crowded?
  - tdkl 10y ago
    > Doesn't he realise that no one gives a shit about Linux desktop apps? That explains the sad state of Linux on the desktop.
dTal 10y ago
I was with him 100% right until "as part of the systemd project". This isn't even about politics anymore, what the hell does application distribution have to do with init daemons? Is systemd just a dumping ground for whatever idea they currently think is great? One gets the impression that if Poettering wrote Pulseaudio today, he'd roll it into systemd...

yarrel 10y ago

More systemd bloat. I guess Windows adding an app store made cargo cutting that approach irresistible.

cyberpunk 10y ago

Urgh. It's a lecture from a desktop Linux Dev on what I'm supposed to want. As someone who runs stuff at stupid (not fb or google, but not tiny) scale, this just annoys me. He's right, in some ways.. But.. How many more layers do we need? Who will sign up for this? No one. I'm getting close to the point where I just can't take it anymore. I keep deleting mesos and kubernetes setups and replacing them with 200 line shell scripts at startups with no ops team who are sold lies... Maybe I'll become a pig farmer or something. Open a pub. There's a backlash coming, and we deserve it.

cyberpunk 10y ago
I'd really be less offended by this whole thing if every example wasn't about running gnome. This is the guy driving the userland for most of us? Doesn't he realise that no one gives a shit about Linux desktop apps? Sure there are some, we should be more focuses on the needs of people who are deploying 1000s of jvms or node apps or ruby or whatever though... Shouldn't we?
- jsnell 10y ago
  There are already plenty of people focused on those needs. In fact your previous comment seemed to be complaining about there being too many solutions already. Why are you so offended that some people are trying to solve a real problem they have, instead of piling into the server use case that's already very crowded?
- tdkl 10y ago
  > Doesn't he realise that no one gives a shit about Linux desktop apps? That explains the sad state of Linux on the desktop.

dTal 10y ago

I was with him 100% right until "as part of the systemd project". This isn't even about politics anymore, what the hell does application distribution have to do with init daemons? Is systemd just a dumping ground for whatever idea they currently think is great? One gets the impression that if Poettering wrote Pulseaudio today, he'd roll it into systemd...