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"Good products don't need advertisement".

actsasbuffoon 10y ago
Tell that to the Amiga. A long read, but demonstrates that even amazing products die with crappy advertising: http://arstechnica.com/series/history-of-the-amiga/ http://arstechnica.com/series/history-of-the-amiga/
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outside1234 10y ago
Well, until a real competitor like Visual Studio Code comes along, then they do. :)
- galfarragem 10y ago
  But "good products become obsolete also."
- d0100 10y ago
  VSCode is still a bit far from ST. I still can't use VSCode for Go programming since it will randomly cause BSOD's, as well as several file-size and file-saving issues.
  - marpstar 10y ago
    Maybe it is for Go, but for TypeScript and F#, it's better than anything else out there.
    - Keats 10y ago
      PyCharm is really good for TypeScript as well, but probably not as good as VSCode.
  - bsg75 10y ago
    Which version of Windows? Surprised BSODs are still a thing, especially from a what should be a purely userspace app.
    - voltagex_ 10y ago
      Gonna guess they're on Windows 7 and the graphics driver is crashing - VSCode enables hardware acceleration via a Direct3D DLL. I'd still like to get a hold of the memory dump to run `analyze -v`
  - pkaye 10y ago
    I pretty much use VSCode for just Go programming and haven't encountered any BSODs or other issues.
  - PopsiclePete 10y ago
    Interesting. My experience is the opposite - VSCode's Go plugin is what me switch to VSCode from Sublime.
    - jug 10y ago
      Same here. And BSOD's? What??
- skrowl 10y ago
  Visual Studio Code is pretty amazing. It's always the example I give when people say native-y stuff built on Javascript (Electron) can't be fast.
  - TickleSteve 10y ago
    I tried it for a few minutes and the lag and weight far exceeds Sublime... YMMV. So no, from the available evidence, VSC and Atom, there is no way that an editor written in a heavily abstracted and interpreted language and VM can match the performance of Sublime.
    - codedokode 10y ago
      The problem might be not JS but using DOM (every colored word has to be a separate node and every time you add or remove a letter there would be a reflow) instead of custom widget written in compiled language and heavily optimized for displaying colored text in monospace font. Sublime uses high level language (python) too but not for rendering.
- jbob2000 10y ago
  I've been using Visual Studio Code for a project recently. I told myself I would give it a try as I get pretty annoyed by the Sublime prompts and general wonkiness of the plugins. It's not a real competitor by any means. I don't need git integration or a debugger in my IDE, these are wasted features for web dev (the best debugger is the browser because that's where the code actually runs...). I dislike how the "search across project" works - sublime presents search results on a huge screen, but Code is confined to the side bar, really difficult to find what you're looking for given ~250px of space. Code's code highlighting is very bare, it doesn't highlight enough for me, I have to read the code too much. And Code wants me to Tweet my feedback? They actually built twitter into an IDE? Wtf It's just a typical Microsoft product; too little too late, and nothing special.
  - noir_lord 10y ago
    > these are wasted features for web dev. For your use case perhaps, debuggers are invaluable if you are using a backend language that isn't javascript, XDebug with Intellij is outstanding for those rare times you really need a proper debugger.
    - jbob2000 10y ago
      And I get that, in which case the developer would be better served to use one of those IDEs. Sublime text doesn't have a debugger and it's not really needed because of the type of work you would do in it. I wouldn't write Java or C# in sublime, why would I do that in Code? To my point, Code is just a weird mish-mash of features. Is it an advanced text editor like sublime or is it an IDE? In either case, it's bad at both.

Tell that to the Amiga. A long read, but demonstrates that even amazing products die with crappy advertising: http://arstechnica.com/series/history-of-the-amiga/ http://arstechnica.com/series/history-of-the-amiga/

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outside1234 10y ago

Well, until a real competitor like Visual Studio Code comes along, then they do. :)

galfarragem 10y ago
But "good products become obsolete also."
d0100 10y ago
VSCode is still a bit far from ST. I still can't use VSCode for Go programming since it will randomly cause BSOD's, as well as several file-size and file-saving issues.
- marpstar 10y ago
  Maybe it is for Go, but for TypeScript and F#, it's better than anything else out there.
  - Keats 10y ago
    PyCharm is really good for TypeScript as well, but probably not as good as VSCode.
- bsg75 10y ago
  Which version of Windows? Surprised BSODs are still a thing, especially from a what should be a purely userspace app.
  - voltagex_ 10y ago
    Gonna guess they're on Windows 7 and the graphics driver is crashing - VSCode enables hardware acceleration via a Direct3D DLL. I'd still like to get a hold of the memory dump to run `analyze -v`
- pkaye 10y ago
  I pretty much use VSCode for just Go programming and haven't encountered any BSODs or other issues.
- PopsiclePete 10y ago
  Interesting. My experience is the opposite - VSCode's Go plugin is what me switch to VSCode from Sublime.
  - jug 10y ago
    Same here. And BSOD's? What??
skrowl 10y ago
Visual Studio Code is pretty amazing. It's always the example I give when people say native-y stuff built on Javascript (Electron) can't be fast.
- TickleSteve 10y ago
  I tried it for a few minutes and the lag and weight far exceeds Sublime... YMMV. So no, from the available evidence, VSC and Atom, there is no way that an editor written in a heavily abstracted and interpreted language and VM can match the performance of Sublime.
  - codedokode 10y ago
    The problem might be not JS but using DOM (every colored word has to be a separate node and every time you add or remove a letter there would be a reflow) instead of custom widget written in compiled language and heavily optimized for displaying colored text in monospace font. Sublime uses high level language (python) too but not for rendering.
jbob2000 10y ago
I've been using Visual Studio Code for a project recently. I told myself I would give it a try as I get pretty annoyed by the Sublime prompts and general wonkiness of the plugins. It's not a real competitor by any means. I don't need git integration or a debugger in my IDE, these are wasted features for web dev (the best debugger is the browser because that's where the code actually runs...). I dislike how the "search across project" works - sublime presents search results on a huge screen, but Code is confined to the side bar, really difficult to find what you're looking for given ~250px of space. Code's code highlighting is very bare, it doesn't highlight enough for me, I have to read the code too much. And Code wants me to Tweet my feedback? They actually built twitter into an IDE? Wtf It's just a typical Microsoft product; too little too late, and nothing special.
- noir_lord 10y ago
  > these are wasted features for web dev. For your use case perhaps, debuggers are invaluable if you are using a backend language that isn't javascript, XDebug with Intellij is outstanding for those rare times you really need a proper debugger.
  - jbob2000 10y ago
    And I get that, in which case the developer would be better served to use one of those IDEs. Sublime text doesn't have a debugger and it's not really needed because of the type of work you would do in it. I wouldn't write Java or C# in sublime, why would I do that in Code? To my point, Code is just a weird mish-mash of features. Is it an advanced text editor like sublime or is it an IDE? In either case, it's bad at both.