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来週は学校に行きません This sentence makes no sense.

by jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg 10y ago

astrange 10y ago
What problem do you have with it?
- Nadya 10y ago
  It's nonsensical and an actual error for one. ;) If you search for "来週は学校に行きません" on Google this thread is the only result.
  - getoj 10y ago
    The reason for this is contextual (internet posts), not grammatical. You'll get more results if you remove the polite ending and/or the topic particle (try "来週学校に行かない").
  - astrange 10y ago
    Actually, since not wanting to go to school is a common sentiment, it can end up simplified into something with no particles at all: https://twitter.com/k_y02240/status/613690896916201472 https://twitter.com/k_y02240/status/613690896916201472 I hope you don't find it nonsensical, though, I understood it just fine. And checking ghits for plain forms shows: "学校に行く" - 3,680,000 "学校へ行く" - 444,000 so I think the other way is actually the variant! BTW, I feel like "学校に行く" - where に means "for/into" - has a sense of "going to school to go to class", but "学校へ行く" - where へ means "towards" - has a sense of "going to the school building as a physical place". Here's a forum thread about it: http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5458812.html http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5458812.html
  - amake 10y ago
    It is neither nonsensical nor an error.
- jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg 10y ago
  来週は学校に行きません roughly translates as "Next week, I won't go for school." The correct usage is 来週は学校*へ*行きません "Next week, I won't go to school."
  - getoj 10y ago
    Hi, I'm a gainfully employed translator of Japanese and linguist. Short answer: the sentence is fine as it stands, although your alternative is equally grammatical (if less idiomatic - "学校へ行かない" gets about 1/4 of the ghits of "学校に行かない" by my count, and personally I'd never use へ). Long answer: Japanese draws a distinction between verbs of A→B movement (e.g. 行く to go; 引っ越す to move house; 移動する to move/change location) and verbs that describe the manner of motion (e.g. 歩く to walk; 走る to run). The A→B verbs can happily take an indirect object complement (a に phrase) as the destination, because there's really no other possible meaning. You can't "go for school", as you put it. Verbs of motion, on the other hand, are less flexible. These can't take an indirect object complement, and need a more expressly destinatory case (think へ、へと、まで). The reason for this is that a change of location is not implied in the verb, however counterintuitive that might seem to an English speaker. Interestingly, motion verbs can take a direct object (を), such as in 街を歩く 'to walk around town'. Another indication that they're not strictly destinatory. Also they can take adverbs that further qualify motion, such as ぽつぽつ歩く 'to dawdle/mosey/toddle'(? tough to translate), whereas 行く can't. A→B verbs can however take adverbs that qualify the speed, like ゆっくり行く 'to go unhurriedly' - but this is different from ゆっくり歩く 'to walk in a slow manner'. This is my first ever comment on HN so I've tried to be as informative as possible... If you have any counterexamples I'd be happy to try to explain them.
    - jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg 10y ago
      Japanese N1 and JETRO biz japanese here. Yeah sure, in vernacular construct, which explains more Google results.
      - amake 10y ago
        Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
amake 10y ago
There is nothing wrong with that sentence.

来週は学校に行きません This sentence makes no sense.

astrange 10y ago

What problem do you have with it?

Nadya 10y ago
It's nonsensical and an actual error for one. ;) If you search for "来週は学校に行きません" on Google this thread is the only result.
- getoj 10y ago
  The reason for this is contextual (internet posts), not grammatical. You'll get more results if you remove the polite ending and/or the topic particle (try "来週学校に行かない").
- astrange 10y ago
  Actually, since not wanting to go to school is a common sentiment, it can end up simplified into something with no particles at all: https://twitter.com/k_y02240/status/613690896916201472 https://twitter.com/k_y02240/status/613690896916201472 I hope you don't find it nonsensical, though, I understood it just fine. And checking ghits for plain forms shows: "学校に行く" - 3,680,000 "学校へ行く" - 444,000 so I think the other way is actually the variant! BTW, I feel like "学校に行く" - where に means "for/into" - has a sense of "going to school to go to class", but "学校へ行く" - where へ means "towards" - has a sense of "going to the school building as a physical place". Here's a forum thread about it: http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5458812.html http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5458812.html
- amake 10y ago
  It is neither nonsensical nor an error.
jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg 10y ago
来週は学校に行きません roughly translates as "Next week, I won't go for school." The correct usage is 来週は学校*へ*行きません "Next week, I won't go to school."
- getoj 10y ago
  Hi, I'm a gainfully employed translator of Japanese and linguist. Short answer: the sentence is fine as it stands, although your alternative is equally grammatical (if less idiomatic - "学校へ行かない" gets about 1/4 of the ghits of "学校に行かない" by my count, and personally I'd never use へ). Long answer: Japanese draws a distinction between verbs of A→B movement (e.g. 行く to go; 引っ越す to move house; 移動する to move/change location) and verbs that describe the manner of motion (e.g. 歩く to walk; 走る to run). The A→B verbs can happily take an indirect object complement (a に phrase) as the destination, because there's really no other possible meaning. You can't "go for school", as you put it. Verbs of motion, on the other hand, are less flexible. These can't take an indirect object complement, and need a more expressly destinatory case (think へ、へと、まで). The reason for this is that a change of location is not implied in the verb, however counterintuitive that might seem to an English speaker. Interestingly, motion verbs can take a direct object (を), such as in 街を歩く 'to walk around town'. Another indication that they're not strictly destinatory. Also they can take adverbs that further qualify motion, such as ぽつぽつ歩く 'to dawdle/mosey/toddle'(? tough to translate), whereas 行く can't. A→B verbs can however take adverbs that qualify the speed, like ゆっくり行く 'to go unhurriedly' - but this is different from ゆっくり歩く 'to walk in a slow manner'. This is my first ever comment on HN so I've tried to be as informative as possible... If you have any counterexamples I'd be happy to try to explain them.
  - jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg 10y ago
    Japanese N1 and JETRO biz japanese here. Yeah sure, in vernacular construct, which explains more Google results.
    - amake 10y ago
      Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

amake 10y ago

There is nothing wrong with that sentence.