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This is advocating revenge, and being pleased to see someone suffer. Imagine she had a breakdown due to stress and her life went off the rails - would you feel

by markk 10y ago

This is advocating revenge, and being pleased to see someone suffer. Imagine she had a breakdown due to stress and her life went off the rails - would you feel that was fair? How much would she have to suffer before you are satisfied?

jonknee 10y ago
She benefited greatly from a cult of personality on the way up and is now finding out it goes both ways. I myself don't feel bad for someone who enriched herself while peddling snake oil and knowingly giving junk test results to real patients. It is despicable.
- markk 10y ago
  I hear you, and I also don't necessarily approve of her actions. However at a human level, this is simply a human in pain (assuming she is stressed). Bear in mind, she only benefited in cash, we don't know what her experience of her life is like.
  - jonknee 10y ago
    I feel much worse for all the people she hurt (investors, employees, patients, partners, etc). I'm sure Kenneth Lay was in pain too, but I didn't feel bad for him either.
    - pessimizer 10y ago
      Won't someone cry for Bernie Madoff?
      - kawaiio 10y ago
        Poor Bernie, he must have gone through a tough time witnessing his own offspring commit suicide because of the shame he brought. Poor Bernie, forget tens of thousands of investors who's lives are wrecked because of his deception, he must be going through a really tough time in penitentiary housed along with violent criminals. Yeah, never mind what he did folks, let's focus on the fraudster's emotional pain and try to be accomodating by sending postcards and sell toilet paper with his face on it /s
  - PascalsMugger 10y ago
    This pain is one of the most potent things that keeps people from trying to pull off fraud more often.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 10y ago
    That's kind of a strange response. Holmes made millions of dollars administering bogus blood tests to real patients. She had real employees. Due to her potentially wilful incompetence a lot of people are suffering. I don't believe anyone here is advocating that we inflict physical punishment on her. But hoping that she loses her company and never gets to work in the medical field again not only seems like just punishment, but it seems prudent since she was studying chemical engineering when she dropped out. It's unlikely she's even going to be poor. She'll probably still be worth more than you or I, and would never have to work for the rest of her life.
    - gohrt 10y ago
      She'll never be poor because she came from a rich connected family before Theranos was founded.
  - pfarnsworth 10y ago
    Your views show how dangerous and misguided moral relativism is, when criminals shouldn't be punished by their own guilt and stress for crimes they committed on their own volition. Poor Elizabeth Holmes, are you suggesting we should let her off the hook because she too suffered from "affluenza"?
dnautics 10y ago
revenge is a second action that is a constructed response to a first action. You would not call a swarm of bees attacking a person who knocked down the hive, "revenge". Of course there is a subjective line here, but the things that have happened so far seem to be organic, natural, and maybe even predictable responses to the actions that that preceded. That's not revenge, that's just desserts.
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Aelinsaar 10y ago
I'd say that when the inevitable criminal probe is done, we'll have a better answer to that particular 'question'.
beachstartup 10y ago
yes, it's fair, because in exchange, she has been paid millions of dollars. you think she's giving any of that back?
rgbrenner 10y ago
I would say the fair amount of stress is equal to the amount of joy she must have experienced when her net worth went from $0 to 4.5 billion. The stress she is experiencing now is simply part of the way to 0.
nihonde 10y ago
It's not revenge. It's accountability, and there can never be enough of it. If business leaders aren't held to account for their actions, then they are incentivized to misbehave and deceive others, which has a negative impact on everyone——especially those who would put capital to better uses.
pfarnsworth 10y ago
How is self-inflicted pain considered revenge? She caused her own stress by taking money she didn't deserve and is now reaping what she sowed since she knew it didn't work.

by markk 10y ago

jonknee 10y ago

She benefited greatly from a cult of personality on the way up and is now finding out it goes both ways. I myself don't feel bad for someone who enriched herself while peddling snake oil and knowingly giving junk test results to real patients. It is despicable.

markk 10y ago
I hear you, and I also don't necessarily approve of her actions. However at a human level, this is simply a human in pain (assuming she is stressed). Bear in mind, she only benefited in cash, we don't know what her experience of her life is like.
- jonknee 10y ago
  I feel much worse for all the people she hurt (investors, employees, patients, partners, etc). I'm sure Kenneth Lay was in pain too, but I didn't feel bad for him either.
  - pessimizer 10y ago
    Won't someone cry for Bernie Madoff?
    - kawaiio 10y ago
      Poor Bernie, he must have gone through a tough time witnessing his own offspring commit suicide because of the shame he brought. Poor Bernie, forget tens of thousands of investors who's lives are wrecked because of his deception, he must be going through a really tough time in penitentiary housed along with violent criminals. Yeah, never mind what he did folks, let's focus on the fraudster's emotional pain and try to be accomodating by sending postcards and sell toilet paper with his face on it /s
- PascalsMugger 10y ago
  This pain is one of the most potent things that keeps people from trying to pull off fraud more often.
- 2muchcoffeeman 10y ago
  That's kind of a strange response. Holmes made millions of dollars administering bogus blood tests to real patients. She had real employees. Due to her potentially wilful incompetence a lot of people are suffering. I don't believe anyone here is advocating that we inflict physical punishment on her. But hoping that she loses her company and never gets to work in the medical field again not only seems like just punishment, but it seems prudent since she was studying chemical engineering when she dropped out. It's unlikely she's even going to be poor. She'll probably still be worth more than you or I, and would never have to work for the rest of her life.
  - gohrt 10y ago
    She'll never be poor because she came from a rich connected family before Theranos was founded.
- pfarnsworth 10y ago
  Your views show how dangerous and misguided moral relativism is, when criminals shouldn't be punished by their own guilt and stress for crimes they committed on their own volition. Poor Elizabeth Holmes, are you suggesting we should let her off the hook because she too suffered from "affluenza"?

dnautics 10y ago

revenge is a second action that is a constructed response to a first action. You would not call a swarm of bees attacking a person who knocked down the hive, "revenge". Of course there is a subjective line here, but the things that have happened so far seem to be organic, natural, and maybe even predictable responses to the actions that that preceded. That's not revenge, that's just desserts.

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Aelinsaar 10y ago

I'd say that when the inevitable criminal probe is done, we'll have a better answer to that particular 'question'.

beachstartup 10y ago

yes, it's fair, because in exchange, she has been paid millions of dollars. you think she's giving any of that back?

rgbrenner 10y ago

I would say the fair amount of stress is equal to the amount of joy she must have experienced when her net worth went from $0 to 4.5 billion. The stress she is experiencing now is simply part of the way to 0.

nihonde 10y ago

It's not revenge. It's accountability, and there can never be enough of it. If business leaders aren't held to account for their actions, then they are incentivized to misbehave and deceive others, which has a negative impact on everyone——especially those who would put capital to better uses.

pfarnsworth 10y ago

How is self-inflicted pain considered revenge? She caused her own stress by taking money she didn't deserve and is now reaping what she sowed since she knew it didn't work.