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Additional bonus: Korean uses lots of basic angles, squares, and lines and many Hangul have "three parts" eg. 한국어의 It's a beautifully simple writing system. Yo
by Nadya 10y ago
Additional bonus: Korean uses lots of basic angles, squares, and lines and many Hangul have "three parts" eg. 한국어의 It's a beautifully simple writing system.
You can go quite a long comment chain in Japanese without seeing の. I always tell people "look for lots of simple characters that can be written with only 2 or 3 lines mixed in between a bunch of really complex characters".
来週は学校に行きません
For those who don't know Japanese, only following my rule, can you identify the Japanese characters in the sentence above?
Except with names, Japanese writing will have a bunch of Chinese characters with many "simple" Japanese characters sprinkled in between. To someone who doesn't read Japanese, both are "unintelligible" but I find people can identify the more complex Kanji from the more simple Kana quite easily and can point them out with pretty good accuracy, even if they can't read any of the kana.
The above example without Japanese characters if you'd like to see if you guessed correctly:
来週学校行
- umanwizard 10y agoAnother quirk about the の thing is that some Chinese-speaking people, in Taiwan at least (not sure about the mainland) use の as a colloquial replacement for 的, presumably due to Japanese cultural influence. So it's not completely impossible to see の in a Chinese-language text. (They still pronounce it "de", only the writing is different.)
- yongjik 10y agoTwist: When you see a pair of complex-looking Chinese character strings, but if one of them looks somewhat "simpler", then chances are that it's Chinese and the other is Japanese. Because Mainland Chinese people use simplified characters.
- cturner 10y agoTaiwan hasn't followed the simplification. Could you be looking at dual printed classical/simplified Chinese?
- thaumasiotes 10y ago来 and 学, from the original example, are both simplified characters (the traditionals being 來 and 學). I was a little bemused to see them in an example of Japanese text, but it turns out they are the common Japanese characters as well. Japanese has its own set of simplifications ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai ), often overlapping with the Maoist simplifications. In a different pattern, mainland China simplified 龍 to 龙 while Japan simplified it to 竜. Despite being a "simplified" form, 竜 is actually the oldest of those three characters. >> For those who don't know Japanese, only following my rule, can you identify the Japanese characters in the sentence above? I would technically meet that requirement, but knowledge of Chinese makes the question pretty easy regardless of knowing Japanese. ;)
- Nadya 10y ago>I would technically meet that requirement, but knowledge of Chinese makes the question pretty easy regardless of knowing Japanese. ;) Found the loophole in my requirements! Haha :) Had a good laugh when you pointed that out, thank you. Showed a quirk in my reasoning. You also did a wonderful job explaining the simplified/traditional characters and the overlap between them and I learned a bit of trivia!
- allemagne 10y agoBeing in Japan is always a bizarre experience as a student of Chinese. I can perfectly understand a number of signs and get the gist of a surprising amount of other written language despite not understanding a word of it spoken aloud.
- jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg 10y ago来週は学校に行きません This sentence makes no sense.
- astrange 10y agoWhat problem do you have with it?
- Nadya 10y agoIt's nonsensical and an actual error for one. ;) If you search for "来週は学校に行きません" on Google this thread is the only result.
- getoj 10y agoThe reason for this is contextual (internet posts), not grammatical. You'll get more results if you remove the polite ending and/or the topic particle (try "来週学校に行かない").
- astrange 10y agoActually, since not wanting to go to school is a common sentiment, it can end up simplified into something with no particles at all: https://twitter.com/k_y02240/status/613690896916201472 https://twitter.com/k_y02240/status/613690896916201472 I hope you don't find it nonsensical, though, I understood it just fine. And checking ghits for plain forms shows: "学校に行く" - 3,680,000 "学校へ行く" - 444,000 so I think the other way is actually the variant! BTW, I feel like "学校に行く" - where に means "for/into" - has a sense of "going to school to go to class", but "学校へ行く" - where へ means "towards" - has a sense of "going to the school building as a physical place". Here's a forum thread about it: http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5458812.html http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5458812.html
- amake 10y agoIt is neither nonsensical nor an error.
- jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg 10y ago来週は学校に行きません roughly translates as "Next week, I won't go for school." The correct usage is 来週は学校*へ*行きません "Next week, I won't go to school."
- LanceH 10y agoI would say the give away on Korean is that it has circles or ovals as part of the character.
- masklinn 10y agoIt doesn't necessarily have any though.