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Currently in private beta, developed by Fog Creek, comes a online IDE for web applications, with deployment, hosting and team collaboration built in. It remind

Currently in private beta, developed by Fog Creek, comes a online IDE for web applications, with deployment, hosting and team collaboration built in. It reminds me how Heroku started (in 2007, 2008) with an online IDE for (only?) Ruby on Rails applications. Later, Heroku stopped with offering the online IDE and moved to the current deploy-via-git-push-model. It will be interesting how this works out for HyperDev.

benologist 10y ago
Doesn't seem to be a private beta cause I just registered. It looks lovely and streamlined for nodejs stuff, do you know if this will be open source?
- jschulenklopper 10y ago
  True that also others can register. Their mailing did mention "As newsletter subscribers, we want to give you exclusive early access and get your feedback" below a "HyperDev Private Beta" heading. Personally, I don't think it will be Open Source, at least not soon, but who knows. I haven't seen an indication on the business model or long-term strategy - could be paid hosting for running applications with more resources (just like Heroku, OpenShift, Google App Engine and other PaaS providers), or paid add-ons for additional features (monitoring, analytics, logging, persistency, high-availability). Or perhaps it is an entry for their Kiln service, version control and source code hosting, but I'm just guessing here. Fog Creek is using different types of revenue models for their services.
- williamstein 10y ago
  It's definitely not in private beta, because I also just signed up. It's a bit confusing because you don't enter a password -- you just enter an email address. They then assume that you want to authenticate via github to use that email. Since Heroku's famous pivot, there have been a few companies that have built online web (and other) development collaborative development environments, including https://www.nitrous.io/ https://www.nitrous.io/, https://codio.com/ https://codio.com/, https://c9.io/ https://c9.io/, https://codenvy.com/ https://codenvy.com/, and https://koding.com/ https://koding.com/. There's also the more scientifically oriented environments like https://www.pythonanywhere.com/ https://www.pythonanywhere.com/, https://wakari.io/ https://wakari.io/, and https://cloud.sagemath.com https://cloud.sagemath.com. I don't think any have had breakout success yet. Of the above, at least https://c9.io/ https://c9.io/ and https://cloud.sagemath.com https://cloud.sagemath.com are open source. Disclaimer: I wrote https://cloud.sagemath.com https://cloud.sagemath.com, which is why I watch this space.
  - Yahivin 10y ago
    HyperDev is taking a simplified approach to the space of live, collaborative coding and deployment. There's no need to set up your environment, configure your build pipeline, memorize Git, or manually deploy updates. We're hoping that it makes development much easier for developers everywhere to collaborate, share, and have their code running live. We focus on removing obstacles and providing quick feedback. When you make a change to your project, the result is live on the internet for all to see in <1.5s. I've found this kind of rapid feedback and shared experience to be really valuable, and we've got improvements planned to make it even better in the future.
    - desireco42 10y ago
      It does. It really is as simple as it gets.
- Yahivin 10y ago
  It's an honor system private beta. :) We've got some controls in place to lock it down if it starts getting away from us. Maybe "open house" would be a better way to phrase it. I'll be here for a while trying to answer any questions people have. - Source: I'm one of the creators of HyperDev
  - benologist 10y ago
    Some feedback on what I'd like to see or couldn't find: - preview option on the same page, C9 are the only ones I've seen that can do it but I think it's something many of us do with window managers, that is improved by being in the same app and tab especially on non-computers. - Code formatters that run on save, most of the web IDEs I've tried only support manually running JS Beautify and they lack the ability to automate it or use any other formatters. Although it's part personal preference, some repositories enforce formatting before accepting pull requests. - databases, otherwise it will often require a server or database hosted somewhere else plus additional software to access and build the database. - Dropbox integration so you can always have a copy of your code close at hand and outside an IDE.
    - etamponi 10y ago
      Hi benologist, thanks for your feedback :) I'll try to respond summarily here: - preview on the same page is being considered as an option on larger devices and on mobile/tablets where WM don't provide side-by-side capabilities - Code formatting on save is a really nice idea :) We'll keep it into consideration - We already provide an hosted object datastore backed by DynamoDB, check out datastore.js for the API and server.js for usage from this sample app: https://hyperdev.com/#!/project/bramble-leaf https://hyperdev.com/#!/project/bramble-leaf - Integration with a source code repository and export to 3rd party data storage is being developed, it is one of our priorities :) - A developer of the HyperDev Team

benologist 10y ago

Doesn't seem to be a private beta cause I just registered. It looks lovely and streamlined for nodejs stuff, do you know if this will be open source?

jschulenklopper 10y ago
True that also others can register. Their mailing did mention "As newsletter subscribers, we want to give you exclusive early access and get your feedback" below a "HyperDev Private Beta" heading. Personally, I don't think it will be Open Source, at least not soon, but who knows. I haven't seen an indication on the business model or long-term strategy - could be paid hosting for running applications with more resources (just like Heroku, OpenShift, Google App Engine and other PaaS providers), or paid add-ons for additional features (monitoring, analytics, logging, persistency, high-availability). Or perhaps it is an entry for their Kiln service, version control and source code hosting, but I'm just guessing here. Fog Creek is using different types of revenue models for their services.
williamstein 10y ago
It's definitely not in private beta, because I also just signed up. It's a bit confusing because you don't enter a password -- you just enter an email address. They then assume that you want to authenticate via github to use that email. Since Heroku's famous pivot, there have been a few companies that have built online web (and other) development collaborative development environments, including https://www.nitrous.io/ https://www.nitrous.io/, https://codio.com/ https://codio.com/, https://c9.io/ https://c9.io/, https://codenvy.com/ https://codenvy.com/, and https://koding.com/ https://koding.com/. There's also the more scientifically oriented environments like https://www.pythonanywhere.com/ https://www.pythonanywhere.com/, https://wakari.io/ https://wakari.io/, and https://cloud.sagemath.com https://cloud.sagemath.com. I don't think any have had breakout success yet. Of the above, at least https://c9.io/ https://c9.io/ and https://cloud.sagemath.com https://cloud.sagemath.com are open source. Disclaimer: I wrote https://cloud.sagemath.com https://cloud.sagemath.com, which is why I watch this space.
- Yahivin 10y ago
  HyperDev is taking a simplified approach to the space of live, collaborative coding and deployment. There's no need to set up your environment, configure your build pipeline, memorize Git, or manually deploy updates. We're hoping that it makes development much easier for developers everywhere to collaborate, share, and have their code running live. We focus on removing obstacles and providing quick feedback. When you make a change to your project, the result is live on the internet for all to see in <1.5s. I've found this kind of rapid feedback and shared experience to be really valuable, and we've got improvements planned to make it even better in the future.
  - desireco42 10y ago
    It does. It really is as simple as it gets.
Yahivin 10y ago
It's an honor system private beta. :) We've got some controls in place to lock it down if it starts getting away from us. Maybe "open house" would be a better way to phrase it. I'll be here for a while trying to answer any questions people have. - Source: I'm one of the creators of HyperDev
- benologist 10y ago
  Some feedback on what I'd like to see or couldn't find: - preview option on the same page, C9 are the only ones I've seen that can do it but I think it's something many of us do with window managers, that is improved by being in the same app and tab especially on non-computers. - Code formatters that run on save, most of the web IDEs I've tried only support manually running JS Beautify and they lack the ability to automate it or use any other formatters. Although it's part personal preference, some repositories enforce formatting before accepting pull requests. - databases, otherwise it will often require a server or database hosted somewhere else plus additional software to access and build the database. - Dropbox integration so you can always have a copy of your code close at hand and outside an IDE.
  - etamponi 10y ago
    Hi benologist, thanks for your feedback :) I'll try to respond summarily here: - preview on the same page is being considered as an option on larger devices and on mobile/tablets where WM don't provide side-by-side capabilities - Code formatting on save is a really nice idea :) We'll keep it into consideration - We already provide an hosted object datastore backed by DynamoDB, check out datastore.js for the API and server.js for usage from this sample app: https://hyperdev.com/#!/project/bramble-leaf https://hyperdev.com/#!/project/bramble-leaf - Integration with a source code repository and export to 3rd party data storage is being developed, it is one of our priorities :) - A developer of the HyperDev Team