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>Also, no, everyone is racist and sexist to varying extents, it's not a binary. Humans are imperfect. Not everyone and everything is racist and sexist, stop pe

by mjolk 10y ago

>Also, no, everyone is racist and sexist to varying extents, it's not a binary. Humans are imperfect. Not everyone and everything is racist and sexist, stop peddling this histrionic narrative. If it's automated, are you claiming that algorithms are racist or sexist? The outcome isn't shaming a sexual orientation any more than x + 3 = 9 is "six shaming."

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drdeca 10y ago
Presumably the claim would be that it contributes to a phenomenon which is considered harmful, and that there is an obligation to have it not do that. Now, I don't know that I agree with that claim (certainly not without reservations at least), but I think that the idea of an algorithm contributing to a harmful phenomenon, and that being bad, is not an obviously wrong idea. I don't think your argument against theirs is a very good one. Something better than your x + 3 = 9 quip would be needed to refute it. I'm saying this as someone who also disagrees with the worldview you are arguing against. /epistemic virtue signaling
- mjolk 10y ago
  The (management or computer) algorithm is likely designed to cut down on pornography and/or "offensive content"; the correlation of the terms bi, lesbian, or gay as metadata to explicit images is likely to be large on a visual platform. If anything is offensive, it's the quickness to jump to "I'm offended by logical explanations and I refuse to come up with practical solutions." Which is to say, I believe that the claim was infantile and deliberatively obtuse. Obviously it wasn't meant as a slight against sexual identity and if you want things to be better, get to work and stop complaining (which is unlikely to happen because complaining is easy and fixing things is hard). Sometimes a cute riposte or simple response is all that's needed to defuse absurdity. Debating with someone plainly calling everyone racist and sexist isn't likely to bear fruit. I wish we could get to a state in which the professionally offended would stop wasting others' time and encouraging this doublespeak-nonsense game -- there's only so many minutes in the day and we both wasted daylight on this.

by mjolk 10y ago

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drdeca 10y ago

Presumably the claim would be that it contributes to a phenomenon which is considered harmful, and that there is an obligation to have it not do that. Now, I don't know that I agree with that claim (certainly not without reservations at least), but I think that the idea of an algorithm contributing to a harmful phenomenon, and that being bad, is not an obviously wrong idea. I don't think your argument against theirs is a very good one. Something better than your x + 3 = 9 quip would be needed to refute it. I'm saying this as someone who also disagrees with the worldview you are arguing against. /epistemic virtue signaling

mjolk 10y ago
The (management or computer) algorithm is likely designed to cut down on pornography and/or "offensive content"; the correlation of the terms bi, lesbian, or gay as metadata to explicit images is likely to be large on a visual platform. If anything is offensive, it's the quickness to jump to "I'm offended by logical explanations and I refuse to come up with practical solutions." Which is to say, I believe that the claim was infantile and deliberatively obtuse. Obviously it wasn't meant as a slight against sexual identity and if you want things to be better, get to work and stop complaining (which is unlikely to happen because complaining is easy and fixing things is hard). Sometimes a cute riposte or simple response is all that's needed to defuse absurdity. Debating with someone plainly calling everyone racist and sexist isn't likely to bear fruit. I wish we could get to a state in which the professionally offended would stop wasting others' time and encouraging this doublespeak-nonsense game -- there's only so many minutes in the day and we both wasted daylight on this.